I like to shit on Russia as much as the next guy but keep in mind there is propaganda on both side and Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia, these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51936534258_91f5217324_b...

> these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there

Egg cartons in place of tank reactive armour may be on a schematic. That makes it no less useless. To say the Russian military is operating with top kit denies the battlefield reality.

The "egg cartons" are spacers between explosive reactive armor places. The interesting part isn't that there are egg cartons but that there's only egg cartons - the ERA plates are missing.

My favorite story of Russians and armor plates was the dead Russian soldier who was found with his armor vest plate replaced by a stolen MacBook.

- they're not egg cartons

- what do you know about russian tank armor ?

> To say the Russian military is operating with top kit denies the battlefield reality.

Yes, but where did I say the opposite ? There are dozens of reports showing it's running on fumes, there is no need to ridicule ourselves by propagating factually wrong infos

Saying "X fact" about russia is wrong doesn't mean someone supports their action. We all know their army is shit and any semblance of proper troops they had died in the first few weeks of the invasion

> what do you know about russian tank armor ?

Nothing. Don’t need to. Whether designers put useless armour on the tank or a factory worker messed with a well-designed tank is irrelevant. The tanks were kitted with worthless armour.

"Do you know US soldiers have literal plates as body armor ? it's even ceramic plates, just like the one you eat from. AHA how dumb can they be, ceramic armor aha "

That's how you sound right now

> it's even ceramic plates

Ceramic armour resists bullets. Cardboard doesn’t block or deflect threats to tanks in any form. (It’s not even suitable for collision mitigation.)

> Ceramic armour resists bullets.

Why do my plates shatter when I drop them then ?! if they can't withstand my floor how could they possibly deflect bullets ?!

> Cardboard doesn’t block or deflect threats to tanks in any form

Well then good thing there is no cardboard in their tanks. You really take a random pic from twitter as the absolute truth even though you were presented alternatives ?

Maybe another twitter post might help you then: https://twitter.com/russian_defence/status/91989519933319168...

It might be outdated, it might be shitty compared to western version, it's not cardboard and it is supposed to be like that.

But ok let's all dial down our IQ to 56 and pretend Oligarchs sold egg cartons to their army to pay their yacht, that's a nicer story to tell on TV news. "aha look at them funny corrupt russians and their egg cartons, russia dumb"

> it is supposed to be like that

I’ve seen claims that this is for structural reinforcement of sandbags, which makes no sense on multiple levels. (Even if the tank armour can’t resist bullets, a premise which raises its own host of questions, there is better light armour. And even if one insists on sand, a requirement which raises its own host of questions, civil engineering has better solved the problem of immobilising sand.) Those claims also have zero history before photos of the egg cartons emerged, which isn’t unexpected for military kit, but suspect given Moscow’s tendency for ham-fisted retconning.

The broader point is, whether designed that way or not, it’s evidence of incompetence. If the people doing that built a pipe part, I wouldn’t be surprised to see it fail. (Though based on German comments, there is reason to suspect foul play.)

> The broader point is, whether designed that way or not, it’s evidence of incompetence.

Yet you went for the "aha funny egg cartons how can they be so dumb" narrative instead of the "look they have a shitty army"

> Those claims also have zero history before photos of the egg cartons emerged,

Besides the literal tank specs and the tweets/websites I linked to from 2017 which was like 5 years before the picture emerged.

It's free to admit you were wrong and propagating false information, I'm not attacking you personally you don't have to be so triggered: they have a decrepit army: yes, they have egg carton tanks: no, as simple as that

Fair enough, I didn't mean to be misleading. The egg cartons aren't literally cardboard. But while nobody can agree on what they were supposed to be doing (encasing missing reactive armor? doing something with sand? voodoo?), there is broad agreement on what it didn't do: serve a useful purpose.

>Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia

[Citation needed]

The garbage Australian report that only looked at two hashtags (who even uses hashtags anymore?) doesn't count.

> [Citation needed]

Really ? How naive can you be ? It's a communication war as much as a regular war

It's never all black or all white, if you can't understand that I feel sorry for you. The reality is bad enough, we don't need to swallow every bit of info coming out of Ukraine.

If you believe Russian tanks are filled with egg cartons because you saw a blurry pic on twitter I don't even know what to tell you. Once again, russia's army is rotten enough that you don't have to make up lies to make it look bad, there are dozens of reports that are _true_ and equally bad

I was addressing your claim that Ukraine is "infinitely better" at propaganda than Russia.

Russia's propaganda barely even work inside of its own border while Ukraine's conquered the west, even on this platform smart individual believe random tweets without even questioning it

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/ukraine-propaganda-war

https://www.nzz.ch/international/ukraine-die-kunst-der-propa...

https://theconversation.com/how-ukraine-is-adapting-the-anci...

I'm not even saying it's bad, it just is, I have a hard time understanding how people can't see it. Is it because "propaganda" as a bad connotation and nothing bad can be linked to Ukraine ?

>[Citation needed]

Not the person you replied to, but let's test the theory this way: Can you list out some of the US/Ukraine propaganda? If not, do you think it's because the US/Ukraine isn't using propaganda or because they're better at it and you don't realize it's propaganda?

There's another option, which I think is more likely than Ukraine being better at it. Because we are supportive of Ukraine, we want Ukrainian propaganda to be true.