The largest state that we have successfully managed to isolate from communication with the rest of the universe is on the order of 15 qubits. I think you do not appreciate just how easy it is to get information through a channel. Or rather how difficult it would be to prove that such a channel was used.

This is, however, irrelevant. Hans Niemann is a chess cheat. Allowing him to set the narrative to "I've only cheated online" is the same as allowing him to set the narrative to "I've only ever cheated while wearing green clothes".

If I got trespassed for shoplifting at 12 and again at 16 I wouldn’t blink twice if the store banned me at 19.

Yeah, but imagine if the CEO of the store goes on twitter and talks about you when you try and visit the store at 19, and your name and face is in the news for the rest of your life!

I palmed a candy bar a couple times as a kid, sure, out with bad company.

I've never cheated on a game, even a casual one. I would never respect someone who did.

You obviously have, and I don't respect you.

Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post like this again.

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Ridiculous. I don't respect you either. You seem like an asshole.

Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post like this again.

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Edit: you've been breaking the HN guidelines a ton lately. If you keep that up, we're going to have to ban you. Please review the rules and stick to them so we don't have to do that.

I feel I only respond to people like that who first respond that way to me. Oh well, I will stop doing that. Thanks!

I know the feeling, believe me, but from a mod perspective I can tell you that everyone always feels that way (myself included). It seems to be a hard-wired bias we all have. Therefore, everyone needs to make a conscious effort to follow the site guidelines despite that feeling (myself included). I appreciate your response!

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Agreed. Anyway - looks like I am limited so likely not to participate in discussion on HN anymore anyway.

We rate limit accounts when they post too many low-quality comments too quickly and/or get involved in flamewars. Your account is rate limited because it has done a ton of that.

All is not lost; if you use the site as intended for a while, i.e. posting substantive, thoughtful comments that follow the guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), you'd be welcome to email [email protected] and we can take a look and hopefully drop the rate limit.

> Niemann has admitted cheating, but only in online chess, not over the board.

That's a distinction without a difference.

Wrong. I've stolen things (I'm sure you have too - theft can be really small!) does that mean I should be labeled a thief in perpetuity? Beyond that, does it mean that I should be publicly shamed for it?

Come on. You people need a heart.

If you have a criminal record, you will not be hired into certain jobs. Try getting a job in a cloud vendor such as AWS, Azure or GCP. They do background checks for a reason — you will have access to customer data of banks, the CIA, and other high-risk data. These cloud vendors have controls, and one of the controls is to not hire people who don't pass background checks.

So yes, if you have admitted to cheating in chess in the past, you lose certain privileges, such as competing in world chess championship.

If we're conflating this with crimes, then Magnus is doubly in the wrong - we have standards for innocence until proven guilty.

Where is the proof?

There's a reason why things like this are in different categories.

I could have been an alcoholic for years, but I shouldn't be branded as one forever to everyone I meet, etc.. it's just wrong. Totally immoral.

It is not possible to prove unless the Chess Federation subjects players to cavity search. I don't think the Chess Federation wants to set such an extreme precedent. So, the alternative is to exclude people who have admitted to cheating in the past. That's not wrong or immoral. Cheating is immoral. Losing some privileges goes with the territory and should be expected.

Correct, it is not possible to prove. If Magnus had anything - anything - other than "I felt this way" and "he seems too chill" I would suspect something. Those things could be:

- Hans was walking weird (something in his shoe)

- He was making weird movements

- He was distracted, or similar, indicating he's messing with some device

etc... then sure.

Magnus did not say these things, and that is telling.

What I believe happened is Magnus (someone who has presented a lot of anxiety in the past - see this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR-4_ouXUV4 but easy to find other examples) was really nervous that Hans may be cheating, and that impacted Magnus's play (he played a very poor game).