From a job hopping POV, projects or roles don't count, it's all about how long you've worked at the same company. My current tenure at giant company X is "10 years", even though I've held at least 4 radically different roles across three different products during that time.

The context for my statement there was this:

> job hopping means you’re never really staying at a company long enough to establish yourself and to own the long-term consequences of your actions

If you’re project hopping then you’re not owning long-term consequences either.

I’m someone who stayed put. Same company for 7 years. Not fang. Got promoted to be a manager half way. I stayed put as it was awesome learning for me. I sucked my first year and yet felt was able to demonstrate value due to momentum from my previous impact. I am getting better at leadership and finding my skin.

But .. in retrospect, I left a lot of money on the table. I also don’t see myself making the next jump (to vp) as I have seen no one do it .. vps come from outside where I am.

I am mulling an mba or emba but it is pretty expensive in time and money.

Sounds like it's time to quit your job and find a new one.

Not with a recession looming, as the article points out. I’d be interested in upskilling suggestions that are smaller sized chunks.

Online nano degrees seem to be too watered down to take seriously. Need to position self for late 2023.

Even in a downturn, you should look for good opportunities to move. The second management job is where you really start learning.

But be really picky.

Just read the MBA/Founder books instead of getting an MBA. Find a new job where you'll be challenged and can put the MBA/Founder skills to use, then quit your current job.