Re:Is Hans Niemann cheating? – Expert analyzes
by hugh-avherald on Friday September 23, 2022 @08:37AM
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I believe Fabi, but the question must be asked: how does he know (with certainty!) that the player was cheating. Did the player confess? Was he blatantly looking on his phone in front of him?
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Re:Is Hans Niemann cheating? – Expert analyzes
by michaelt on Friday September 23, 2022 @09:50AM
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Imagine I see someone after an event, flushing evidence of cheating.
I am completely certain, because I saw the evidence myself.
But to anyone else? There's no hard evidence - just he-said-she-said. Maybe I was mistaken - or trying to get my rival into trouble.
Knowing how it would look, maybe I keep my mouth shut rather than throwing around wild, baseless allegations about cheating.
Re:Is Hans Niemann cheating? – Expert analyzes
by jstanley on Friday September 23, 2022 @08:42AM
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Maybe it was Fabi!
Re:Is Hans Niemann cheating? – Expert analyzes
by alephr on Friday September 23, 2022 @08:46AM
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This seems like the most obvious answer but social dynamics make it hard to suggest.
Re:Is Hans Niemann cheating? – Expert analyzes
by Bootvis on Friday September 23, 2022 @09:23AM
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It's suggested here now :) More spicy would be if Kramnik was cheating in his match against Topalov.
Re:Is Hans Niemann cheating? – Expert analyzes
by bpodgursky on Friday September 23, 2022 @08:39AM
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Making moves perceived to be outside his skill class I assume.
Re:Is Hans Niemann cheating? – Expert analyzes
by rob74 on Friday September 23, 2022 @10:08AM
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If it's that, then it's pretty arrogant - I mean, that's like saying: "he's too stupid to make such a good move, so he must be cheating"? Even (relatively) bad players are bound to make good moves from time to time, either through dumb luck or through occasional sparks of inspiration, so that's hardly a reason to be 100% sure they are cheating...
Re:Is Hans Niemann cheating? – Expert analyzes
by John23832 on Friday September 23, 2022 @02:11PM
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There are moves and lines that only Super GM’s will calculate. Not IMs, not FMs, not GMs. It’s not arrogant, it’s the level of play.
Re:Is Hans Niemann cheating? – Expert analyzes
by bpodgursky on Friday September 23, 2022 @11:07AM
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When you are #2 in the world at something you are allowed to be a bit arrogant about it.
(down to #8 now, I suppose)
Re:Is Hans Niemann cheating? – Expert analyzes
by jfengel on Friday September 23, 2022 @02:18PM
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Not so much "outside his skill class" as "unlikely to be played by a human". Computers have a really good idea of what the optimal move is, and it's sometimes not a move any human being would play. The main way to detect cheating is to figure out that they're playing closer to the computer's line than anybody without computer assistance.
In this case, his off-the-board behavior, where he seems unable to explain some of the moves he made, is also suspicious. His skill set is such that there's no move he's not capable of playing, though he should at least be able to tell you what he was thinking when he played it.