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Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by GeekyBear on Thursday September 22, 2022 @01:05PM (#32941697)
> The fear and groupthink was so strong at the time that even pointing out the existence of dissenting voices was enough to get you labeled as a selfish grandma killer conspiracy theorist.

My example would be one of the scientists on President Biden's Covid advisory council being interviewed on PBS and pointing out that cloth face masks were not effective against an airborne virus, but n95 masks offered some real protection.

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/do-masks...

I, personally, saw people demand that links to that interview be removed as "disinformation".

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by raydev on Thursday September 22, 2022 @04:58PM (#32944553)
Just watched the portion you're referring to, and based on what he actually said, that cloth masks are "ineffective" with zero qualification, is disinformation.

I see the concerns. He did qualify a few sentences earlier about the effectiveness of cloth masks is that there is some protection but it's small. Fine, but he was imprecise with his language later on.

People want to (and did) latch on to the quotable portion that they are not effective (read: zero difference from no mask), which is demonstrably false.

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by GeekyBear on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:22PM (#32944797)
Cloth masks are effective against a virus with a droplet based spread, like the flu. When an infected person sneezes or coughs, cloth face masks can contain those droplets as they spray out.

With an airborne virus you have to be able to filter the air people are breathing and a cloth face mask that isn't even fitted tightly to the face just cannot do that. This is why you need an n95 mask or better fitted tightly enough to your face to create an air seal.

For example, the Measles also has an airborne spread and the OSHA requirements for medical professionals mandate gloves, eye and face protection, and respiratory protection.

https://www.osha.gov/measles/control-prevention

Note that Flu levels hit record lows globally while Covid continued to spread like wildfire.

>CDC says seasonal flu cases hit record lows around the world

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/cold-and-flu/cdc-says-seasona...

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by marvin on Friday September 23, 2022 @05:42AM (#32949773)
But the truly comical part, of course, was that Covid was not acknowledged to be widely airborne until a year and a half later. At the same time that cloth masks were widely dismissed as ineffective.
Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by nradov on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:55PM (#32945685)
Are there any randomized controlled trials which show that cloth masks have a clinically significant effect in preventing transmission of SARS-CoV-2? I haven't seen any such studies which would meet evidence-based medicine criteria, but if you know of any I would be interested to read them.
Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by hotpotamus on Friday September 23, 2022 @12:13AM (#32947976)
How would you design a controlled trial involving live virus transmission with a virus that is known to have long term health effects and can even be lethal?
Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by kukkeliskuu on Friday September 23, 2022 @01:50AM (#32948502)
There was one trial, which apparently later censored, that measured how mist with similar particle size behaves when it hits a cloth or other non-FFP2 or higher mask. Non surprisingly, they do not stop airborne particles that are much smaller than the "holes" in the fabric. The masks captured droplets, but later the droplets dried, split up and became airborne with very small particles.
Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by zapdrive on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:25PM (#32947268)
Crickets.
Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by rajup on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:45PM (#32947419)
It's a good placebo though.
Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by aleister_777 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @08:17PM (#32946357)
> Which is demonstrably false.

If that's the case, be demonstrable then. Given the physical size of the virus vs the size of holes in say, a cotton mask, combined with the infection rates for the strictest masking areas, I would say your statement is demonstrably false.