Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by hangonhn on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:59PM (#32933220)

Because it doesn't need to improve. It just needs to check some checkboxes. It's "free" as part of Microsoft Office 365. It allows the IT department to check a checkbox and de-incentivize them from looking at Slack. With Slack you have to pay for and is yet another app to administer. Many IT departments who are already Microsoft customers will have an easier time rolling that out than a new app. No new purchase order nor legal review. Microsoft just needs to suck the air out of Slack to "win". Any additional investment by Microsoft is wasted.

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by colinmhayes on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:27PM (#32933398)

Right, every Fortune 500 company already has a msft office contract. Getting everyone on teams is as easy as an IT guy clicking a box and everyone has it on their computer. Doesn’t have to be a great product when it’s that easy to start using. Really Microsoft’s entire company revolves around this “lock them in and utilize our relationship to grow new products” strategy.

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by ghiculescu on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:10PM (#32933691)

Hmm, but many of those companies probably have a Salesforce contract too. What do you think will happen if/when SF bundles Slack?

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by fomine3 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:30PM (#32933835)

I think Salesforce isn't used/needed so much like MS Office. MS Office is needed for interoperability but Salesforce is for internal.

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by bombcar on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:26PM (#32934173)

SF is also thousands of dollars a license, office365 is maybe a hundred. So everyone gets o365 but only people who need access have SF.

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by redbell on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:17AM (#32937346)

That's why, I believe, Slack had filed an antitrust claim against Microsoft [1] claiming that Teams has an unfair advantage by being bundled in the O365 package which make the chance to pick Slack over Teams for companies already purchased O365 near to zero.

The claim is two years old now and I haven't heard any news regarding the matter and whether Slack proceeded to the end like Epic Vs. Apple or not

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53503710

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by mBVth4DiupvBPY4 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:23PM (#32933775)

It's actually not free as part of all Office 365 plans, sadly. We discovered recently that we'd either have to downgrade(!!!) to the version with only web apps, or upgrade to the version with Exchange, to get teams. (Or, better yet, pay for a Teams-specific license since it's $0.25 cheaper than getting Exchange...)

Of course, the whole reason that we were looking at it is that one vendor who says they prefer Teams for some reason, even though we already pay for both Google Meet and Zoom.

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by bombcar on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:27PM (#32934179)

Teams is decent as a chat client. Zoom is more of a meeting client (it has chat feature but I’ve never met anyone who uses them).

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by nikau on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:23AM (#32934775)

Its not decent, its usable.

Decent would be able to switch chat tabs in under a second, reliable quoting (one minute ``` works, next minute it doesn't), an unread messages view like slack, and overall not being a laggy piece of crap.

It gets the job done, but its not decent.

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by Thlom on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:45AM (#32935887)

And the splitting of Teams/chat is really confusing. At least in my org the teams feature is rarely used, but we have chat groups for everything.

Other than that agree that it’s too slow to load chats, unread notifications doesn’t go away reliably, search sucks etc.

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by sumedh on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:38AM (#32939381)

For some reason you cannot create threads in chat groups but you can in Teams feature.

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by ClassyJacket on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:37AM (#32936652)

Yep, wasted some time on this at work recently too - 365 Apps for Business doesn't include Teams, strangely, despite that the cheaper 'Microsoft 365 Business Basic' does.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/microsoft-365/business/compa...

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