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Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by spullara on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:27PM (#32932975)
It is not entirely without merit to say that religious folks that encourage large families like the Amish, Catholics and Mormons will dominate in the distant future. Hell, I have 45 first cousins (on one side) and they on average have 3+ kids so it might just be my extended family :)
Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by marshray on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:37PM (#32933069)
That experiment has been running for 50 generations already, by now it should have reached steady-state.

Perhaps that's part of the reason that 84% of the world's population identifies with a religion.

Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by rapind on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:52PM (#32933572)
I can't help but wonder if large families also beget religion just as religion begets large families.

Now I personally think every religion I've encountered is ridiculous fiction (no offence, just my opinion), but I will admit that there can be some pretty significant advantages in a community. Raising a ton of kids is probably just easier in a close community of similar minded families (a.k.a. the local church/temple/mosque). It's almost like it's intentionally engineered to be this way.

Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by thrown_22 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:58PM (#32933619)
Religion is subject to natural selection just like anything else. Religions which produce more offspring that stay in the religion will always win out over the ones that don't.
Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by bawolff on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:05PM (#32933653)
Until it becomes outweighed by splitting resources amongst too many children. Everything has pros and cons.
Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by thrown_22 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @04:48PM (#32944437)
So long as the children survive to give birth to more children it doesn't matter how poor they are. Evolution doesn't care for the comfort of anyone.
Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by bawolff on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:05PM (#32947155)
> So long as the children survive to give birth to more children

Big if. In a true famine, the poor usually die first.

> Evolution doesn't care for the comfort of anyone.

Evolution cares about sexual desireability and fitness. Rich people usually have more.

In nature we see these two strategies as well. Some species try and have as many babies as possible, where others have fewer but concentrate resources to make sure the few are more likely to survive. Neither strategy is optimal in all situations.

Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by thrown_22 on Friday September 23, 2022 @10:17AM (#32952271)
You're mixing up personal fitness with the fitness of a meme. Sure rich people have more surviving children in the long run, but why don't we ask the rich Pagan Roman Senators how well their money protected them from the hungry Christian mob?