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Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by logical_ferry on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:29PM (#32929247)
My nation state exterminated Jews and other nationalities in WW2. I do feel a bit of responsibility and shame.

Putin didn't appear in vacuum. He is a product of his society. Every Russian out there is to blame for this war.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by faebi on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:37PM (#32929393)
> Every Russian out there is to blame for this war.

You might as well blame the poor for being poor. I understand every Russian who says it's not worth it to try.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by logical_ferry on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:41PM (#32929462)
Well, they'll have an opportunity to rethink their views in Ukraine.

Germany was a militaristic society once. They aren't anymore.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by zen_1 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:34PM (#32931812)
> I do feel a bit of responsibility and shame.

Assuming you weren't alive when those decisions were made or did not support them at the time, I don't see why you should. You have little control over the actions of your nation-state today, you had none when those atrocities were being committed. The vast majority of the people alive today bear no responsibility whatsoever for the events of WWII

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by lm28469 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:50PM (#32932634)
> My nation state exterminated Jews and other nationalities in WW2

Germany ?

If so do you not feel ashamed about buying Russian gas for decades ? It wasn't the moral choice but it was the cheapest

One of your previous chancellor works for Gazprom, the whole Germany is to blame I guess ?

If you start blaming citizens for their politicians we're all war criminals. Are every single Americans liable for Abu Ghraib ?

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by logical_ferry on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:23AM (#32934772)
Not Germany. I boight Russian gas, I wasn't even aware of issues. There are Russian gas stations still working in my country, I stopped buying there.
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by chupasaurus on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:08PM (#32929950)
> Putin didn't appear in vacuum. He is a product of his society. Every Russian out there is to blame for this war.

I agree with first 2 sentences but have to correct: his societies were outlaws and KGB (legal outlaws) which is far from representing the whole population.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by logical_ferry on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:45PM (#32930519)
> which is far from representing the whole population.

They had parents, went to daycare, went to school, made life choices, went to university, worked a job... They didn't just materialize in KGB one day.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by chupasaurus on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:33PM (#32931136)
Putin's both parents worked at a factory which means no parents most of the time, the daycare was provided by the "criminal elements" [sic] on the streets, he stated that he wanted to join KGB during childhood, he didn't pass entry exams as he entered university as a sportsman and became KGB's agent (not an employee), his job was KGB then after the fall of Berlin Wall he worked for rector of his uni for a brief time and after that for a docent who went into politics and happened to become the mayor of now St. Petersburg in 1991...
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by logical_ferry on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:45PM (#32931290)
Now that you've put it that way then yeah, I see how most Russian are absolved of guilt for this war.
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by chupasaurus on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:14PM (#32931612)
It's very complicated topic which also could be simplified to "a slowly boiled frog with bandits controlling the heat".