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Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by awb on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:23PM (#32929136)
I can’t help but wonder if there would be less war if supporters had to have skin in the game.

Like how many supporters of military action are fine with sending other people to war, but would change their mind if it meant them having to go.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by krossitalk on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:30PM (#32929249)
I think System of a Down asked this same question: "Why don't presidents fight the war?"
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by bambax on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:47PM (#32929559)
"Se peut-il rien de plus plaisant qu’un homme ait droit de me tuer parce qu'il demeure au-delà de l'eau et que son prince a querelle contre le mien, quoique je n'en aie aucune avec lui?"

"Can you think of anything funnier than a man having the right to kill me because he lives on the other side of the river and his king quarrels with mine, although I don't with him?"

Blaise Pascal, Pensées, circa 1660.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by nine_zeros on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:42PM (#32929470)
> I think System of a Down asked this same question: "Why don't presidents fight the war?"

This war is already lost by Russia precisely because the generals and leaders are too far from the frontline. They are using people as pawns.

The only reason this war appears so dangerous is because of nukes. This will be the first time in history that a non-American nuclear power is losing a war.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by logical_ferry on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:14PM (#32930034)
> This will be the first time in history that a non-American nuclear power is losing a war.

Soviet invasion of Afganistan?

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by loeg on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:49PM (#32929612)
> This war is already lost by Russia precisely because the generals and leaders are too far from the frontline. They are using people as pawns.

I thought Russia was losing generals left and right in Ukraine?[1] Certainly, Putin and his sycophants are not on the front lines.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_generals_kille...

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by hef19898 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:19PM (#32930102)
The French in Vietnam and the Algerian civil war lost as well. As did both, the UK and France along side Israel, in the Suez crisis (granted, Israel did pretty well on their part).
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by daveevad on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:00PM (#32929807)
> This will be the first time in history that a non-American nuclear power is losing a war.

That is hard to believe but I am unable to contradict it.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by philistine on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:47PM (#32931305)
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by comprambler on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:11PM (#32930006)
They "lost" Afghanistan as well.
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by williamstein on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:39PM (#32929425)
Also, Black Sabbath:

"Politicians hide themselves away

They only started the war

Why should they go out to fight?

They leave that role to the poor, yeah"

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by eternalban on Thursday September 22, 2022 @09:50AM (#32938714)
"Why don't presidents fight the war?"

CCR answered this question back in the 1969:

https://genius.com/Creedence-clearwater-revival-fortunate-so...

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by ThePadawan on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:47PM (#32929568)
(Please allow this light-hearted deviation which might be considered in poor taste)

Or we could build giant dueling death robots who decide wars 1-on-1 instead of pointlessly wasting human lives like in classic Sci-Fi schlock Robot Jox [0]:

> Fifty years after a nuclear holocaust, mankind is decimated and the surviving nations—the American western-influenced Market and the Soviet-Russian-influenced Confederation—have agreed to outlaw traditional open war. In their place, disputes are settled with gladiator-style matches between giant robots operated by pilots called "robot jox" [...]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Jox

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by daveevad on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:57PM (#32929759)
Surely if we made it that far, it wouldn't even be necessary.
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by ThePadawan on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:28AM (#32936591)
I think the point of "humanity will always have a desire and/or find reasons to want to go to war with itself, and the only way we can at least slightly stop that is because it gets too expensive" is quite poignant.
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by radu_floricica on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:51PM (#32930606)
Yeah, that's why I'm not really crying for the Russian citizen right now. They had a full half year to risk jail by protesting the war, when it was "just" their country invading and murdering other people. They did it for a few weeks, then went back to their Stormbucks and McDelicious.
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by lamontcg on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:28PM (#32932414)
Americans did the same thing with the Iraq war in 2003.
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by rm_-rf_slash on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:28PM (#32933819)
Weak argument. Iraq War created massive discontent, debates were on the news every night for years.

Meanwhile in Putin’s Russia you can get jailed for just calling it a war.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by eternalban on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:05AM (#32938902)
> Weak argument. Iraq War created massive discontent, debates were on the news every night for years.

All states, regardless of professed ideology, are only concerned with matters that affect their stability. Nobody in US power elite gave an F about people stretching for miles in DC and NYC. And many in the country were not even aware of the scale of the protests.

Look at what any state suppresses without remorse and that is where their vulnerabilities are.

In countries like Russia, China, and Iran, where the notion of a "leader" is significant in maintaining state cohesion, public displays of division undermine the psychological barriers that any person (anywhere) creates internally, in a very similar fashion to taboos. Public rebuke of leadership breaks taboos that maintain the 'magic circle' of power. It is all psychological, with local variations based on history, culture, system timeline, etc.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by lamontcg on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:28PM (#32934495)
I took part in the protests. The bulk of the people largely accepted the arguments. The bulk of congress voted to approve the war. We didn't have to throw lots of people in jail because the protests weren't disruptive enough to matter. Everyone went back to work the next day. At work the average sentiment was that of course Hussein had WMDs and mostly neoliberal handwringing over if it was tactically wise to actually invade or not with a lot of acceptance that it was inevitable.
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by masijo on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:15PM (#32930924)
Yeah, blaming the population, that's totally fair. What country are you from? Are you sure you're "free of guilt"? Why even stop at war? Do you have poverty in your country? If so, why are you happily posting in HN instead of fighting in the streets?
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by radu_floricica on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:57PM (#32934644)
Mostly because I don't believe government intervention can solve poverty. If anything, governments should get out of the way and let people make money, so protesting in the streets to "do something about poverty" is actually counterproductive.

When it did any good, yes, I did my share of protesting. I even did some politics, I'm actually still a party member.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by luckylion on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:53PM (#32931375)
I'm from Germany. I'm pretty sure I am personally free of guilt today, but I'm convinced that most Germans during the Third Reich were not. They knew what happened and they didn't protest, they didn't act and enjoyed Hitler's social programs instead. I don't think there's much controversy around that.

> Why even stop at war?

Because it's an act. Poverty isn't.

Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:47PM (#32929569)
Or even more cynically, if you are old and rich and run a country and theres lots of young, poor men wondering why they aren't rich then maybe sending them off to die in a pointless war has some upside for the ones who can escape service via their connections.
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by rasz on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:14PM (#32930915)
There was a Youtuber in ~March asking young russians in front of university (or maybe it was red square?) about support for war and russian soldiers, followed by whipping out a notebook and asking for the same in writing as he was making list of patriots. Every single person swiftly ran away. Sadly I cant find the link now.
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by seydor on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:44PM (#32929519)
The worst wars ever were when there was conscription in almost every country
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi... by hprotagonist on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:05PM (#32929890)
"I ain't no fortunate one, no"