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Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Mikeb85 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:31AM (#32926545)
All the doublespeak is actually pretty amazing to witness... We're defending Russia but also "liberated" Kherson and Zaporizhzhia... The west is threatening us with nuclear weapons... The regime which came into power in 2014 (nevermind that Poroshenko and that whole group were voted out in a democratic election where Zelenskiy and his party, who were notably more friendly to Russia at first, came to power)...
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @12:13PM (#32927314)
But see, if all of Ukraine is really part of Russia, then it all makes sense. They are "liberating" occupied territory, and "defending" Russia itself.

If. But that's a psychological point in Putin's mind, not a reality in the real world. We're at the point where the pathologies of one man are driving this war.

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by pupppet on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:51PM (#32932014)
Even that spin doesn't really work, who threatens to nuke their own territory?
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Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Blackthorn on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:44AM (#32926770)
Ah yes, all those neo-nazi militias that checks notes supported a Jewish leader.
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by moistly on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:05PM (#32932784)
They’re so sneaky like that!
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Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by apurtbapurt on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:02PM (#32928033)
Ok? Some military guy in Ukraine has a patch with a skull and... drumroll THE NAZI:S ALSO USED IMAGES OF (not-quite-the-same-looking) SKULLS!!!

If you are into this kind of scary stuff, I can warmly recomend a documentary from 2012 called Iron Sky. It really puts the American moon landings into a new light. No big surprise of course, since Americans often use eagle symbols, JUST LIKE THE NAZIS!!!

The truth is out there!

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by pdabbadabba on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:46AM (#32926803)
Based on what you've given us, this just reads like a conclusory assertion likely rooted in pro-Russian conspiracy theory. If you have any real facts to share, I'll consider revising that assessment.
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Mikeb85 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:27PM (#32931056)
You quoted something I said but seemed to miss the point.

Maybe it was a coup, maybe not (leaning towards no as it was a pretty popular protest). But Zelenskiy ousted Poroshenko regardless and absolutely no one doubts that Zelenskiy was elected.

Lots happened between 2014 and 2022...

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Garvi on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @12:34PM (#32927623)
What's actually amazing to witness is an A-list Hollywood director making a documentary on the CIA financing of neo-nazi groups inside Ukraine and their involvement in the killing of Donbass civillians in the civil war now raging for over 8 years and being censored so effectively, few US citizen seem to know about it.

Another fact I find amazing is the maidan revolution being televised for weeks across the globe on all major news channels, with prominent EU leaders traveling to Kyiv and holding speeches to the crowds. One of those was Angela Merkel and hundreds of millions must have seen it. Today this fact is considered Russian propaganda and apparently never happened. Anyone watched the news 6 years ago and isn't afraid of being downvoted on an internet forum? Remember Merkel's "Right to be forgotten" act? Guess what she used it on.

I came to this forum expecting a higher level of conversation than the horror I've witnessed on reddit. Instead I see outrage over "Russia support everywhere" in a thread where literally 1 heavily downvoted comment was not making fun of Russians(at the time of writing of course). I question the sincerity of people behind such comments. We all know psyops exist, but apparently never in our neighborhoods. Another theory is it's just trolling, which is basically a modern version of wife-beating. "Husband comes home from work frustrated where he was taking insults all day from an abusive boss and takes it out on his wife." vs. "Modern internet user is put down by society/boss/wife and takes it out on strangers on the internet." This whole propaganda shit-fest is playing right in the hands of abusers. My father used to say "come war, the bastards move up in society".

And for gods sake, can someone tell me what percentage of the global production is weapons manufacturing? One used to be able to find that piece of information, but not anymore.

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by secabeen on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:02PM (#32928036)
If you are making claims about suppressed media, why not include links to said media or information about them? Some might be interested in the documentary or the speech you mentioned.
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Garvi on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:03PM (#32929864)
Fully intentional. As well as not mentioning the name of the prominent Hollywood director. If you're too afraid to google it, the 1984 comments in this thread bashing Russia will create their own gravity well from the irony displayed. Am a EU citizen, a communicologist and programmer.
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by The_Stone on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:31PM (#32934198)
If it's censored so effectively, how do you expect people to find it via googling based on vague allusions? If you believe this is so important, why be so vague in the first place? This is not how speaking in good faith looks.
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by philipkglass on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:18PM (#32944748)
I think that I recognize the parent's allusion. The film is Ukraine on Fire, directed by Igor Lopatonok.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_on_Fire

The executive producer (better known for his work as a director) was Oliver Stone. You can buy it on DVD from several major retailers or pay to get it instantly via streaming on Amazon Prime.

The reason "few US citizen seem to know about it" is probably because most US citizens don't watch political documentaries.

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by The_Stone on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:28PM (#32944853)
Thank you. I'd agree with that presumption. It should also be clear that events in Ukraine have definitely evolved since 2016. Reception seems to imply that multiple sources dismissed the film as Russian propaganda at the time as well. Of course I can't say that for myself without watching it, but I'm noting it as significant.
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Garvi on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:00AM (#32935575)
How else am I to demonstrate that the information has been removed clean from the internet? If that makes me a bad actor in your opinion, in my opinion you have your reasoning screwed up somewhere, because I'm not following that logic at all. Please refrain from such redditish personal attacks. If you want to aggravate me, disprove my points. Unfortunately I'd more likely thank you than being mad in that case. If you're actually into making people mad, you should stick to reddit.

I don't think there's a single person on this forum that's not an ace at googling. So I take it you didn't google it for other reasons. Which is also a point I'm making and has been additionally explained in the post you're replying to.

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by The_Stone on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:21PM (#32944767)
I did attempt to search it based on the information you provided, but unfortunately couldn't find anything particularly relevant when I can't search in reference to the A-list Hollywood director you're alluding to and with any searches about Ukraine optimizing to being about the war with Russia which is obviously at the forefront of results.

You are being needlessly obtuse in your responses and in providing any clarifying information, which is either acting in bad faith or arrogance. If you believe me calling that out as such is a personal attack, then I suggest you provide sources so your points actually can be accessed and addressed.

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Garvi on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:03PM (#32945216)
There you go: https://reclaimthenet.org/youtube-removes-ukraine-on-fire-do...

I already explained my motivations behind what you describe as "acting in bad faith or arrogance" and would rather not be going in circles.

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by The_Stone on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:53PM (#32945671)
Thank you for providing a source. Although, the claims of censorship here appear hollow per checking currently -

- It's available on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs and was posted in April 2021

- It's searchable on Amazon currently despite being blocked in March of this year per the archived result in the article: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Ukraine+on+Fire&rh=n%3A2625373011...

This feels out of date; the movie is not being censored now. It was blocked by private companies likely as a quick response to the beginning of the war, and has since been made accessible again.

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Garvi on Friday September 23, 2022 @05:30AM (#32949694)
the claims of censorship here appear hollow

Please do realize you didn't check any of my points. Found any footage of Merkel in Kyiv that millions remember from weeks of news coverage, but apparently never happened? What percentage of the global economy is the weapons industry? I could continue with more concrete examples of censorship, but we can't even tackle any basics as they are getting ignored.

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by bartimus on Thursday September 22, 2022 @09:14AM (#32938355)
I hope you're not talking about that propaganda piece from Oliver Stone? One time I spoke with a dog. It told me humans are pretty low level for not understanding the importance chasing balls.
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Mikeb85 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:29PM (#32931078)
Again though, Zelenskiy's government isn't the post-Maidan government.

It's not 2014 any more...

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Garvi on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:27AM (#32935741)
True. He ran for office on the promise to stop the civil war in the east and enact the Minsk agreement. Instead the shelling intensified.

What's sad is up to two months ago there were UN observers in the area, publishing all their observations daily in an open public online database. If one so chooses, one can read up on the intensified shelling of the Donbass regions leading up to Russias intervention. Took me seconds to find the first time. Up to 1000 artillery explosions per day counted by international observers and published online. Go on. We're in the information age, with all that information available to us, yet no one seems to know anything concrete or where to find it. Why is that?

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by trasz on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:05PM (#32942511)
There's plenty of concrete information - like the fact that this is an artificial conflict manufactured by Russia, and it's perfectly normal to use artillery to fight enemy combatants - but you're ignoring it, because it doesn't fit your story which (I'm sure this is a pure coincidence) matches Russian propaganda. Same with alleged escalation, whereas the numbers show the exact opposite: the total number of people killed was less than those murdered by Russian nazis in Bucha alone.
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Garvi on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:04PM (#32945228)
Can I get a source on the Russian nazi claim? It's the silliest of the claims you made and if you present a shred of evidence for it I'll reevaluate everything.
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by trasz on Friday September 23, 2022 @01:23AM (#32948361)
Oh, I’m sorry, me calling nationalistic genocide perpetrators “Nazis” was just a rhetorical figure here.

As for literal Russian Nazis: https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1572972414451027970 for just one example.

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Garvi on Friday September 23, 2022 @04:27AM (#32949337)
A thing the psyche does is make people willing to accept any information that supports their views without questioning where it came from, while at the same time dismissing any piece of information that contradicts it, also without having the mental fortitude to check. It's easier to hide and feel strong in a crows than to stand alone with your views. That's why the artificial echo chambers in social media, that all the censorship created, are so effective.

I did some light digging with the information you provided. The source is not an "independent researched", but a member of a Washington based think tank "The Woodrow Wilson Center". Literally everything he wrote in the past years was slandering Russia. Where did you think the gigantic budget of the CIA went?

The proof you provided is a telegram screenshot. You want me to make one that reads "Russian troops offering lollipops to Ukranian POWs"? Should take the average ycombinator reader minutes to whip up such a picture. You should know better.

Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by trasz on Friday September 23, 2022 @07:50AM (#32950621)
So it was CIA who murdered Bucha residents, not Russians?
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Garvi on Saturday September 24, 2022 @06:02AM (#32961169)
I always found this strategy of telling your debate partner what they believe, then mocking them for it, remarkably wide spread on a technical forum, considering how juvenile and unproductive it is.
Re:Address by the President of the Russian Federation by Mikeb85 on Friday September 23, 2022 @08:48AM (#32951171)
Propaganda's a hell of a drug eh?