Re:I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police b...
by Merciernmon on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:09PM
(#32904791)
Josh, many of your comments here are displaying as "dead." The HN FAQ[0] says:
> What does [dead] mean?
> The post was killed by software, user flags, or moderators. Dead posts aren't displayed by default.
I suspect that it is a false positive. Maybe email the mods for help? [email protected]
Re:I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police b...
by josh-pdap on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:40PM
(#32905130)
Thanks! I contacted them and I've been reinstated.
Re:I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police b...
by icelancer on Monday September 19, 2022 @05:41PM
(#32904416)
Not sure why this got killed (dead in HN terms) but I vouched for it.
Re:I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police b...
by sophacles on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:05PM
(#32904745)
Over half this person's comments (the Josh-pdap person I mean) have been flagged.
Not sure if this is some false positive on anti-spam (new account, lots of comments in a short time on a single story) or if it's someone with a vendetta. @dang this is a little weird...
(I know, this site doesn't have magic @, but also i think the site moderator probably has scripts searching for mentions/summons anyway. I would anyway...)
Re:I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police b...
by dang on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:47PM
(#32905205)
The comments weren't flagged. HN's software has other kinds of filters too, and comments by brand new accounts are treated a little more skeptically. Fortunately users had vouched* for all but two of josh-pdap's comments by the time I saw them. I restored the other two and marked the account legit.
Re:I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police b...
by jrockway on Monday September 19, 2022 @05:58PM
(#32904649)
Yeah, all of the new comments from the account are dead. I think creating a new account, posting an article, and posting a handful of comments looks a lot like spam to HN. I've vouched for the comments, but would definitely recommend emailing the admins.
Josh, I can't reply to you directly, but yeah... you can see the comments, but most people can't, unless they have enabled "showdead" in their preferences.
Re:I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police b...
by josh-pdap on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:11PM
(#32904810)
Thanks! It wasn't me who posted the article, but I agree with the theory that it's likely some well-meaning "new account spam prevention" thing.
Re:I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police b...
by soco on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:04PM
(#32904739)
Half of josh's comments show up as dead, so maybe you and others who can, look around and vouch for them as well. There's something nefarious going on...
TL:DR; If you want to write scrapers: go for it! Run your scraper, share the results in Discord and with your friends, and talk about the process. We'll be listening, and it will help us build tools to support this important work.
A few things to clarify:
a. The source of truth for "what are we doing right now" and "how can I contribute" is https://docs.pdap.io/.
b. Empowering people who write scrapers is a part of our broad mission of "police data accessibility", but we have some foundational work to do first! Right now our primary project is creating a database of police agencies and data sources. This will help people understand what kinds of data are available, at which agencies, with which steps to access it. It will also help us create archives of the primary sources, so that if they get taken offline we can still go back and scrape them.
c. What we have realized in the past few years: there are already a ton of people writing and using web scrapers for their day to day work. They are as decentralized as our police system. Our scrapers repo will reflect that. We shouldn't all rely on one library, or even one language. The people who need the data are most motivated to maintain scrapers, and we expect that maintenance will be ad-hoc and as-needed for the immediate future. In most cases, data already published on the internet is useful to local users as-is.
d. If you have a question you'd like to answer about the police, here's the investigation process:
1. Determine whether public data exists to answer your question. Use google to find the appropriate agency, and see what they're publishing. 2. Determine how it can be accessed; do you need to make a FOIA request? Is there a URL? 3. If there's a URL, determine whether you need to write a scraper to access the records. Often, the records can simply be downloaded. 4. Write and run a scraper, if you need one! 5. If there's not a URL, make a records request for the public information. This is a long and complicated process. 6. Share the data with your friends.
This means that scrapers are helpful and necessary some of the time; but not always, and not as the first step. We're trying to help with steps 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6. The theory is that writing scrapers is something people can easily slot in and help with; and that, depending on what question you're trying to answer, two scrapers for the same data source might look wildly different.
Scrapers are an important part of the ecosystem, but they're one piece of the puzzle.