Which is why Europe (and the US) have been instituted with so many divisive movements in the recent decade.

hmm, an instant reply, from a newly created account, leading with a patently false accusation followed by extreme examples which don't match reality.

yes, looks like typical move of Russian-sponsored actors.

Thanks, redscareone, that's exactly the kind of proof my argument needed.

It's against the HN guidelines to post like this here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or how bad their comments are. We've banned that troll account, but we also ban accounts that break the site guidelines in the way you just did, so please don't do it again.

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>we’ll look at the data

Just to check, did you look at the data in this case?

Yes.

Then Europeans will have to fight anti-demcratic movements in Hungary, Poland, Sweden, Italy, Spain, wait... more and more of Europe is on the list of countries where political parties with openly anti-democratic values ("illiberal democracies") are not only in parliaments, but also in governments.

See recent success for "Sweden Democrats" and take a look at the votes in Italy next week.

Also you have to always remember that Ursula von der Leyen could only get into her position with the help of the vote of far right - she will never be against far right for that reason alone.

There is a huge theater going on re "european values" - this is not reflected by reality. E.g. the current "measures" taken against Hungary are seen as a joke.

Your comment is an unnecessarily long way to say "imperfect things are not perfect". Democracies are unstable and need constant defense. That's not a new thing and that will be true for a long time to come.