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Re:The hyperinflation gallery by WalterBright on Sunday September 18, 2022 @11:47PM (#32894076)
I see. So whenever monthly inflation goes up, it's transitory, and when it doesn't, there is no inflation.

Meanwhile, prices on a lot of things I buy doubled.

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by dragonwriter on Monday September 19, 2022 @02:29AM (#32894973)
> So whenever monthly inflation goes up, it's transitory, and when it doesn't, there is no inflation.

No, when consumer prices (not inflation) goes up, there is inflation, and when they don’t, as they have not (overall) in the last two months, there isn't. That’s the definition of inflation.

> Meanwhile, prices on a lot of things I buy doubled.

So... assuming that's over a 12-month period, there are some things that you buy that have been affected vastly more by inflation than even the highest overall sector of the CPI (fuel oil, +68.8% over 12 months.)

Not sure what general importance you want assigned to this or why.

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by WalterBright on Monday September 19, 2022 @01:33PM (#32901355)
The government changes the period of inflation as convenient. When inflation is rising rapidly, they push annual inflation figures. When inflation is moderating, they push monthly figures.

Inflation follows the money printing with a lag of around 13 months. The government just printed a trillion dollars to erase student loan debt. Get ready for another round of inflation. Also the "Inflation Reduction Act", another free-spending bill which will add another chunk to inflation.

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by dragonwriter on Monday September 19, 2022 @04:00PM (#32903141)
> The government changes the period of inflation as convenient.

No, it doesn’t. At least, the present administration hasn't been.

> When inflation is rising rapidly, they push annual inflation figures. When inflation is moderating, they push monthly figures.

The present administration has been fairly consistently focusing on the monthly 12-month trailing figure, which has also been the headline number for, well, ever.

> Inflation follows the money printing with a lag of around 13 months.

Looking at the history of monetary policy changes, QE rounds, and monthly inflation rates, there’s absolutely no support for that at all.

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by WalterBright on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:00PM (#32904680)
> there’s absolutely no support for that at all.

Look at the money supply changes layered over inflation.

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by AnimalMuppet on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:08PM (#32904772)
That's just obvious enough that we might have already done it. We might, for instance, have looked at the inflation data 13 months after Q1, Q2, Q3, and Q4. And based on that data, we might have reached conclusions that are spectacularly different from yours.

If you want to convince us, you're going to have to do more than just say "look at the data" and repeat your previous point. Specifically what data are you looking at, and over what time frame, and how do you think it demonstrates your position?

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by WalterBright on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @04:43AM (#32909206)
It's a chart by the WSJ, but I've made repeated searches on wsj.com and can't find it. It's pretty frustrating, as I'd really like to cite it.
Re:The hyperinflation gallery by mise_en_place on Monday September 19, 2022 @02:53AM (#32895121)
The CPI is not calculated honestly. If you use the CPI tabulation from the 1970s inflation will be way higher than what the current govt statistics from BLS state. For example, Owner’s Equivalent Rent is used, not actual rent that many families are struggling to pay. In addition, the Fed’s core inflation number is ex food and energy prices, which is also misleading.
Re:The hyperinflation gallery by dragonwriter on Monday September 19, 2022 @03:00AM (#32895174)
> The CPI is not calculated honestly

None of your argument supports that it isn't calculated honestly, just that you don't like the particular choices. And it doesn't help that you misrepresent them.

> For example, Owner’s Equivalent Rent is used, not actual rent that many families are struggling to pay.

Actual rent is used for renters. Owner’s equivalent rent (imputed rent) is used instead of asset purchase costs to assess the consumption cost of housing separate from the cost of acquiring a durable asset for homeowners.

> In addition, the Fed’s core inflation number is ex food and energy prices, which is also misleading.

The headline number is the full CPI, not core CPI. Core CPI is also reported, and may be used for some purposes by certain consumers of CPI data, but it's not the headline figure/main measure, so disagreement with its appropriateness as the main measure is fine, but a beating a strawman.

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by notahacker on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:28AM (#32896483)
> For example, Owner’s Equivalent Rent is used, not actual rent that many families are struggling to pay.

This is simply false. Firstly CPI includes both rent and owners equivalent rent, weighted in proportion to the people that rent and own houses respectively. Secondly, OER is calculated based on estimates of current rental prices. Plus of course including OER rather than treating rent as something homeowners don't have to worry about tends to increase CPI when rents rise fast...

> In addition, the Fed’s core inflation number is ex food and energy prices, which is also misleading.

"Core inflation" is a separate time series to the CPI, clearly reported as an alternative measure excluding volatile energy and food prices to compare with CPI.

The only "misleading" is people ranting about how a separate dataset created specifically for comparison purposes proves dishonesty on the part of those calculating CPI...

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by ekianjo on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:14AM (#32896378)
CPI is cherry picked to minimize the measurement of inflation. Apparently not everyone is aware of that.
Re:The hyperinflation gallery by iso1631 on Monday September 19, 2022 @12:32AM (#32894309)
Your own personal inflation may be different to the typical rate encountered by the typical person

US Gas prices are $3.68 a gallon, down from over $5 a few months ago. That's hardly inflation.

https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

Picking a random date about 6 months ago it was $4.25

https://web.archive.org/web/20220310032222/https://gasprices...

Lumber prices are down 65% since March, about the same as this time last year, and indeed back in 2018

https://markets.businessinsider.com/commodities/lumber-price...

This is not symptomatic of hyperinflation, it's symptomatic of supply being lower than demand, causing an increase in supply or a decrease in demand, which takes time

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by WalterBright on Monday September 19, 2022 @01:35PM (#32901380)
> US Gas prices are $3.68 a gallon, down from over $5 a few months ago. That's hardly inflation.

If gas prices drive inflation, why are we not seeing deflation from the gas price drop?

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by iso1631 on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @04:41AM (#32909178)
Gas isn't the only input into prices. Salaries are up 10% in a year for example.

Changes in costs also take time to filter through the economy, and indeed in the last 2 months prices have come down (CPI in June was 296.311, in August it was 296.171)

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by sangnoir on Monday September 19, 2022 @03:05PM (#32902497)
Have you factored in human greed?
Re:The hyperinflation gallery by Brusco_RF on Monday September 19, 2022 @03:47PM (#32903002)
Yes, I have. I greedily want to keep as much of my money as I can so I buy the cheapest goods available, sending money to the greedy corporation who offers goods at the lowest price.

This stubborn hand-wavy argument that prices stay high due to greed smacks of economic illiteracy and White House propaganda.

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by sangnoir on Monday September 19, 2022 @03:58PM (#32903108)
Charging prices the market will bear is considered "hand-wavy" or propaganda now?

If I raise the price of a gizmo I'm selling by 20% because my costs went up, why would I reduce the price when my costs go down but demand is still high? I like my increased profits, and so does my competition. The myth of perfect competition is a exactly that: established companies do not engage in races to the bottom, "cartel" behavior is emergent.

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by WalterBright on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:03PM (#32904731)
Why do gasoline prices go up and down all the time? same for airline ticket prices? I'm afraid your theory has a lot of 'splainin' to do.
Re:The hyperinflation gallery by sangnoir on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:19PM (#32904888)
You've cherry-picked 2 outlying low-margin, high-velocity products where there is a race to the bottom. I counter your gas with smartphones, where Apple and Samsung are ratcheting up the price year over year, while competitors like LG are bowed out. Why couldn't LG compete at lower prices, and chose to exit the smartphone market entirely?

How does your perfect competition theory explain why tuition prices have been going up over 5+ decades, vastly exceeding inflation?

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by WalterBright on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @04:47AM (#32909240)
> Why couldn't LG compete at lower prices, and chose to exit the smartphone market entirely?

Because Apple keeps making the phone better.

> How does your perfect competition theory explain why tuition prices have been going up over 5+ decades, vastly exceeding inflation?

I didn't espouse a "perfect competition" theory. That's your strawman. Anyhow, tuition prices have gone up because the government provides rivers of cash to prospective students. The pool of students thus has gone up drastically, and because of limited supply of colleges, and vast demand by students with fistfuls of cash (and little sense), the tuition went up. A lot.

Re:The hyperinflation gallery by prottog on Monday September 19, 2022 @09:53PM (#32906696)
The same tuition prices that has the full faith and credit of the federal government behind it driving it up?
Re:The hyperinflation gallery by iso1631 on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @04:53AM (#32909273)
Competition, velocity, fungibility