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Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by swayvil on Saturday September 17, 2022 @08:54AM (#32877132)
The social media companies (Facebook, Google, Twitter) want legal permission to censor us based on our "viewpoint".

Because if they can't do that, they warn, then "dangerous content" will grow out of control.

This seems like a big nope to me.

Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by sseagull on Saturday September 17, 2022 @09:09AM (#32877244)
The alternative is having the government decide whether or not a private company can block a particular person for a particular reason.

Everyone is generally ok with companies blocking content that is irrelevant/off-topic, but there is a very, very large gray area. Do you want the government deciding what is acceptable?

Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by unity1001 on Saturday September 17, 2022 @01:05PM (#32879101)
> Do you want the government deciding what is acceptable?

Yes. Entire world except the US does. People elect parliaments, who make laws according to their voters' agendas. Then the laws are enforced. What's acceptable and what's not acceptable are decided in the same manner. Like how going out naked in any city in the civilized world constitutes an offense unless you have a mental disorder.

You already obey with a zillion of things in which 'the government' decides to be acceptable or not acceptable.

Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by sseagull on Saturday September 17, 2022 @01:46PM (#32879530)
I mean, sure. But there’s a reason this stuff was invented in the US and not elsewhere.

I want everyone to think about how increasing the difficulty in moderation will affect all your favorite forums/platforms, including HN.

And if you think these laws can be written so they easily apply only to “the big ones”, or that it will stop there, you are being naive. Government will always take a mile if you give them an inch.

Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by unity1001 on Saturday September 17, 2022 @02:59PM (#32880315)
> But there’s a reason this stuff was invented in the US and not elsewhere.

And that reason is the immense amounts of liquidity that both the US Federal Reserve and the private banks who are allowed to do fractional reserve lending, pump into the US economy. Thanks to the US dollar not losing value when that happens because it is (or was) used as the exclusive reserve currency due to the Gulf countries exclusively selling their oil for dollars until recently.

When you have THAT much free money, its impossible to not invest and innovate. And now that the reserve currency status of the US is challenged and some of the dollars that were used to buy stuff in the international trade is flowing back to the US and causing inflation, we are seeing how the investment landscape totally changed. With SV firms trying to reach profitability, doing layoffs, Twitter and Facebook being questioned as to the profitability etc.

This is before the fact that there is immense innovation elsewhere but you just are not aware of that since the US media need to sell US stocks. Therefore they drum the US businesses up. All of them talk about Elon Musk or whatever hot investment unicorn is coming up incessantly instead of what anyone in any other tech ecosystem is doing.

Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by daemoens on Saturday September 17, 2022 @05:37PM (#32881834)
Reserve currency status isn't decided by what countries use to purchase oil.
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by unity1001 on Saturday September 17, 2022 @05:55PM (#32881994)
The main drivers of the chosen reserve currency were the oil producing countries using it. Now that Yuan entered the scene, things changed.
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by daemoens on Saturday September 17, 2022 @06:50PM (#32882394)
Oil has almost nothing to do with reserve currency status. They use dollars because it is the reserve currency, not the other way around.
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by scarface74 on Saturday September 17, 2022 @03:31PM (#32880662)
“the people” don’t elect anyone on the national level. If they did, Montana wouldn’t have the same number of Senators as California and the person who was elected President in 2016 would be the person who won the popular vote
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by int_19h on Saturday September 17, 2022 @10:52PM (#32883975)
> Entire world except the US does.

US does that too; it has obscenity laws, copyright laws, state secret laws, and plenty more laws that restrict what you cannot say.

Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by throwaway0asd on Saturday September 17, 2022 @06:25PM (#32882207)
The way it works absolutely everywhere else in the US is you hire a lawyer and sue the shit of them, but since they are immune from that alternative are worthy of consideration.
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by fallingknife on Saturday September 17, 2022 @09:18AM (#32877306)
They already are. It came out recently that the FBI leaned on Mark Zuckerberg to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story.
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by ModernMech on Saturday September 17, 2022 @01:22PM (#32879275)
Zuckerberg was free not to listen to anything the FBI had to say. No one forced him to do anything.
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by RichardCNormos on Saturday September 17, 2022 @01:27PM (#32879334)
This is either dishonest or naive. Federal law enforcement "advice" always comes with a hidden message of "Nice company you've got there. It would be a shame if something were to happen to it."
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by ModernMech on Saturday September 17, 2022 @01:41PM (#32879475)
And what, exactly, would the FBI have done? File a lawsuit? As if Facebook doesn't know how to handle a lawsuit?
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by themitigating on Saturday September 17, 2022 @03:12PM (#32880444)
Source?
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by fallingknife on Sunday September 18, 2022 @01:46PM (#32889622)
Zuckerberg said so in an interview. Google it and you can see the video. The FBI did not deny it, so safe to say it's true.
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by swayvil on Saturday September 17, 2022 @09:15AM (#32877284)
Have you seen the typical social media censorship (bans, deletions, shadowbans... no explanations... secret forbidden words lists...) and appeals process lately? It makes 1984 look like a church camp.

At least the government has checks and balances. And a working appeals process. And is, ostensibly, democratically determined.

Yes, I prefer the government here.

Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by ceejayoz on Saturday September 17, 2022 @12:46PM (#32878916)
I think you may need to re-read 1984.
Re:U.S. appeals court rejects big tech’s right to regulate o... by arrabe on Saturday September 17, 2022 @12:42PM (#32878879)
I'm very glad that there are people in the higher ups that are willing to uphold the constitution. I still have cynicism but its good to know that there is a ceiling.

Don't want to alarm any of you but what I'm hearing through the grapevines is that anti-trust lawsuit against the big T companies are coming and they will be the scapegoat once the nasdaq craters (extreme amount of puts purchased by people who are suspected to have advanced insider information).

ex) Microsoft post dot come bubble.