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Re:Figma Alternatives by marban on Friday September 16, 2022 @09:53AM (#32866064)
Typical HN — Anything that goes under the umbrella of big corp gets thrown under the bus, while everyone dreams of selling out one day.
Re:Figma Alternatives by chenmike on Friday September 16, 2022 @10:08AM (#32866209)
I haven’t seen anyone saying the founders shouldn’t have done this or that they wouldn’t have done the same in their shoes. I’m allowed to be happy for the founders and also hate Adobe and worry about the future of a product I use at the same time
Re:Figma Alternatives by parasubvert on Friday September 16, 2022 @10:18AM (#32866328)
Yes of course, but that’s very different from “I am so traumatized that I’m giving up design as a professional interest” which I’ve seen in a few comments and tweets.
Re:Figma Alternatives by edgyquant on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:19PM (#32868336)
I don’t understand why people pretend a few radical/obscure internet comments is proof of a belief system.

No one is traumatized by this and no one is giving up their profession.

Re:Figma Alternatives by parasubvert on Saturday September 17, 2022 @12:47AM (#32874834)
Pretend?

Like read the threads dude, some people are seriously upset to the point of questioning their careers. Believe what you want of course. From the reactions I see on my own corporate slack whenever there are big changes announced, sensitivity and poor coping skills are in abundance.

Re:Figma Alternatives by scarface74 on Friday September 16, 2022 @10:31AM (#32866516)
Re:Figma Alternatives by bin_bash on Friday September 16, 2022 @10:31AM (#32866513)
It may be the case that some individuals on HN dream of selling out but I'm not convinced those are the same individuals that have an issue with products being purchased by big tech.

Is there a logical fallacy for this? I see it a lot online and it drives me nuts. Just because you can point out that the general viewpoint of a group might be hypocritical, that doesn't mean the individuals themselves are necessarily hypocritical.

(personally I have no opinion on figma/adobe, but this class of comment drives me nuts)

Re:Figma Alternatives by jlokier on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:39PM (#32868661)
> Is there a logical fallacy for this?

I call it the "fallacy of the crowd" and I agree it is very common.

I first noticed it enough to give it a name (and then see it everywhere!) about 12 years ago.

Not just online, and it's not always talking about a negative, i.e. apparent hypocrisy or contradiction. It is also used to talk about apparent consequence or implication.

E.g. political campaign speeches often use it. "They" this so "they" that; "they" this and then "they" that; "they" say this yet "they" do that: Different subsets of people referred to by "they" in the same sentence or train of thought.

It's a great rhetorical trick for persuading large numbers of people of something rousing yet wrong.

Re:Figma Alternatives by parasubvert on Friday September 16, 2022 @09:59AM (#32866121)
The classic HN crowd is the one that dreams of building and IPO’ing or selling.

The balance seems to be the “government should own/regulate all businesses I need or hate” crowd. Which feels like younger folks that haven’t thought through that endgame.

Re:Figma Alternatives by strangeattractr on Friday September 16, 2022 @10:03AM (#32866165)
This is true, but in this case it's somewhat warranted. Part of what I like about Figma is that it's browser based and pretty simple. This is in stark contrast to Adobe's products. I really hope this isn't absorbed into some bloated CC subscription package.

The reason this anti-corporate stuff appears is because the point of sale is also the best moment Figma competitors who no doubt lurk on here have to throw their name out there and convert users.

Re:Figma Alternatives by resonious on Friday September 16, 2022 @10:13AM (#32866281)
Right. Reminds me of a Dan Luu tweet where he mentioned people who used to be idealogically opposed to Amazon eventually joining Amazon with a nice cushy salary.
Re:Figma Alternatives by pjmlp on Friday September 16, 2022 @10:54AM (#32866864)
Since I am a bit older, I came to realize this is no different from the hippie movement in the 70's, whose plenty of people ended up joining Wall Street during the 1980's.
Re:Figma Alternatives by behnamoh on Friday September 16, 2022 @10:39AM (#32866614)
Agreed. Remember HN’s reaction to “I don’t care about cookies” extension being bought by Avast? or BitWarden’s sale and the many alternatives that people started sharing on HN? These kinda of reactions by HN are actually hypocritical tbh.
Re:Figma Alternatives by exodust on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:40PM (#32868698)
> Remember HN’s reaction

Who is HN? Is you HN?

Did you add your thoughts about Avast and the acquisition of the browser extension?

If you found a common opinion on that topic, perhaps it's because data harvesting and selling user data is a common pattern associated with similar acquisitions. It's not like people latch onto gloomy conspiracies pulled from the nearest echo chamber, repeating them in unison, swaying to the beat of an HN drum. Is that what you're suggesting?

Re:Figma Alternatives by behnamoh on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:48PM (#32868794)
I'm only part of HN. No I did not write about Avast takeover of the extension; I simply deleted the extension on my own machine.

At the end of the day, "data harvesting and selling user data" is done by programmers. I find it unacceptable that some do it and then come to HN to complain about other people's work.

Re:Figma Alternatives by exodust on Saturday September 17, 2022 @03:46AM (#32875576)
You're making a huge assumption and generalization that "developers do it, then complain about it". What evidence do you have for this? Sounds to me like you're making things up, then broadly accusing people of those things you made up.
Re:Figma Alternatives by mixmastamyk on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:30PM (#32868509)
It’s almost like there’s more than one person on this site, with differing opinions. :-D
Re:Figma Alternatives by mszcz on Friday September 16, 2022 @10:43AM (#32866672)
As an argument for what you're saying can you please offer some examples of small software companies / products that flourished under big corp umbrellas?
Re:Figma Alternatives by bin_bash on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:19PM (#32868332)
YouTube, Instagram, LinkedIn, GitHub, Pixar, NeXT, Siri, Android
Re:Figma Alternatives by mszcz on Friday September 16, 2022 @03:01PM (#32870567)
Thanks!