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Re:Privacy vs. “I have nothing to hide” (2019) by pessimizer on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:12AM (#32836682)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

And French Jewry was spared to a large extent not because of the compassion of Vichy administration, who even sent French children to the death camps over German objections, but due to a complicated bureaucracy and disorganized recordkeeping that made it a real challenge for French collaborators to round Jewish people up. They'd have no such roadblock these days.

Re:Privacy vs. “I have nothing to hide” (2019) by iisan7 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @03:42PM (#32842315)
There's an interesting discussion in the book The Sum of the People which argues that the disorganized recordkeeping in France was a ruse and a deliberate attempt by Rene Carmille to embrace the concept of population registry but to undermine the Nazi policy (Chapter 4, "Paper People"). In particular, Carmille apparently didn't enter the religion data from the census on the punchcards and never delivered lists. Carmille was arrested by the SS in 1944. It's not an entirely happy story though because there were absolutely others in France who collaborated to produce as many lists as they could, especially of Jewish immigrants who were easier to find in the records.
Re:Privacy vs. “I have nothing to hide” (2019) by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:01PM (#32845674)
IBM's Holocaust collaboration became all the more significant when I ran across this justification / defence of pervasive data surveillance by Herbert Simon, Nobel laureate in economics and one of the fathers of AI. This is in his 1977 essay "What Computers Mean for Man and Society". In it, he addresses concerns:

The privacy issue has been raised most insistently with respect to the creation and maintenance of longitudinal data files that assemble information about persons from a multitude of sources. Files of this kind would be highly valuable for many kinds of economic and social research, but they are bought at too high a price if they endanger human freedom or seriously enhance the opportunities of blackmailers. While such dangers should not be ignored, it should be noted that the lack of comprehensive data files has never been the limiting barrier to the suppression of human freedom. The Watergate criminals made extensive, if unskillful, use of electronics, but no computer played a role in their conspiracy. The Nazis operated with horrifying effectiveness and thoroughness without the benefits of any kind of mechanized data processing.

<https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a9e7/33e25ee8f67d5e670b3b7d...> (PDF)

There is, of course, one slight problem with Simon's argument: The Nazis did make heavy use of mechanised data processing, provided and supported by an American company, IBM.

Another Edwin Black IBM and the Holocaust link:

<https://ibmandtheholocaust.com>

Re:Privacy vs. “I have nothing to hide” (2019) by shabbatt on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @02:53PM (#32841595)
Came here to point IBM out which is a sign of how it was: Many Americans supported Nazi.

There is this rose tinted glass view that Americans rose up to defeat Nazism taught in textbooks and mainstream media but was far from the truth. Not only did Nazism was cool then, American corporations like IBM directly aided Nazi party with surveillance efforts, very much like they have funded the persecution of uyghurs by purchasing American software and hardware.

What is constant is that the US looks out for its interest first and foremost, even if it means doing business with authoritarian or tyrannical regimes. Is it moral from a humane perspective? No. But is the state subject to humane? are corporations? The accepted view is that they have no consciousness and is not bound by the same moral/ethical afflictions unless they are shamed out of it that it impacts their bottom line.

Re:Privacy vs. “I have nothing to hide” (2019) by fritztastic on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @03:35PM (#32842215)
Most people were unaware/indifferent, and a nonnegligible number thought it was cool/alright, and tens of thousands openly showed up for it, untold numbers directly/indirectly supported it- undoubtedly some never stopped.

https://anightatthegarden.com/