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Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by coreyh14444 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @06:52AM (#32835409)
Folks, just pay for YouTube Premium. In my family, between my kids and myself we watch more YouTube than Netflix/Disney+/Hulu combined so the YouTube family plan is the best value going.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by qwerty456127 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:01AM (#32835467)
> just pay for YouTube Premium

This would imply signing-in. I don't sign in and reset the cookies regularly because I don't want my history tracked and suggestions personalized.

But Okay, I would sign-in and pay, if every video page had a download button and the whole thing would give me an API exposing all the features reliably (so I could use it easily in 3-rd party players with search and suggestions).

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by donatj on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:10AM (#32835552)
> I don't want my history tracked and suggestions personalized.

I am genuinely curious, how do you find videos worth your time without recommendations? 99.9% of what’s on YouTube I have zero interest in, the recommendation engine is how I cull the noise and actually find things to watch.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by qwerty456127 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:31AM (#32835707)
> I am genuinely curious, how do you find videos worth your time without recommendations?

Not without recommendations. I just want the default recommendations directly related to the video I currently watch, ignoring what other videos I watched before.

How do I find? I just search for a particular subject (maybe also specify the author) whenever I want/need and have time to watch/read something.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by mgdlbp on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:44AM (#32837084)
Indeed, I find YouTube's recommendations are the most relevant and _interesting_ after navigating through a small number of videos within a focused theme in a fresh session. Any watch history, especially in multiple subjects, just seems to make for increasing blandness and disappointingly little connections between topics.

Some prompt crafting-type technique of seeding the recommender with deliberate sequences of videos is probably possible. Youtube's system really is remarkably responsive to this kind of logged-out browsing, unlike most others.

Tangentially, there's a lot of praise for TikTok on HN, but I've never found anything compelling there myself.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by hombre_fatal on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:49AM (#32837160)
Just clear your Youtube viewing history from time to time if you want to reset recommendations based on your subscriptions. (In the History tab)

Everyone should be doing this monthly anyways since YT recommendations along with your viewing trends can eventually get too narrow. Nice to reset it.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by kuschku on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:13AM (#32835574)
(I've got a youtube account, but have all history and tracking disabled, and although youtube obviously still tracks me, I never use autoplay or any recommendations)

The same way as one did in the past: 1) search for something interesting, 2) look at the videos, 3) if you like a creator, subscribe to the RSS feed for their channel

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by qwerty456127 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:27AM (#32835677)
> if you like a creator, subscribe to the RSS feed for their channel

I find this a totally unusable model to the point I don't understand who the heck pays for paywalled websites (for me it would be a waste because I would only read some 2.5 articles on the same website a year). I just search for a particular subject (maybe also specify the author) whenever I want/need and have time to watch/read something. Subscribe to someone and watch/read everything they would produce? Impossible, I don't have time for this. I watch many new (whom I have never seen previously and probably won't see in future although I liked them and they go on) creators every week.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by kuschku on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @10:03AM (#32837351)
The point isn't to watch everything. The point is to have a curated list (or maybe even multiple lists) of content that you know you'll like.

For a simpler example, take webcomics. I created a category in my RSS readers for the webcomics I like. If I feel bored and want to read a webcomic, I just open my reader, click that category, and immediately see the most recent one I haven't read yet. I can instantly get exactly what I want, without any recommendation engine attached. But I don't get any notifications – I only look at it when I feel like it.

The same with youtube creators. If I feel like watching videos of a certain kind, I look at the channels I subscribed to of a certain topic, and see if they’ve got something interesting.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by SL61 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @12:36PM (#32839632)
I'm not the person you replied to but:

1. I search for a topic and pick out a video that seems interesting.

2. I remember the names of the few YouTubers I like, and I look them up once in a while.

I do actually have a YT account and I'm subscribed to some people, but I rarely bother to sign in.

For me, YouTube is a platform for seeking content rather than a platform for being fed content (like HN or Twitter).

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by qwerty456127 on Thursday September 15, 2022 @04:42AM (#32848996)
In fact I have subscribed to some people also and that's because I've found them genuinely amazing. Nevertheless I only re-visit the channels once in some years - when happen to feel really bored. Even if I sign in I don't care about the feed, I only get to the videos to actually watch through ad-hoc searching and recommendations relevant to the specific video I watch.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by JohnFen on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @01:28PM (#32840383)
I've learned to completely ignore the recommendations because they tend to be terrible.

Instead, I find videos through talking with friends, as well as when YouTubers I do watch recommend them. It works very well for me.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by MiguelX413 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @12:15PM (#32839293)
One shouldn't go to YouTube to fill time, but to find something.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by donatj on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @12:34PM (#32839602)
I think your time is far better spent on YouTube than Netflix
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by JohnFen on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @01:29PM (#32840403)
But it's even better spent doing neither.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by MiguelX413 on Thursday September 15, 2022 @02:54PM (#32856817)
The same goes for anything.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by heresaPizza on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @10:15AM (#32837528)
I guess google still has an idea of who you are. Since you don’t use the recommendations, you should try an alternative front end, so you don’t get tracked at all.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by pornel on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @06:56AM (#32835439)
I thought about that, but then I realized I'd have to be logged in to my Google account, and for privacy reasons I'm avoiding this as hard as I can.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by nephrite on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:31AM (#32836915)
How long before YouTube Premium starts to show ads? Netflix already does it.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by hombre_fatal on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:53AM (#32837205)
I thought Netflix only showed ads to a cheaper plan, not their higher priced plan.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by JohnFen on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @01:31PM (#32840445)
If YouTube Premium starts showing ads, I'd stop watching YouTube entirely. Which might not be a terrible thing.

YouTube is the only Google service that I haven't stopped using entirely. Getting rid of it would be good, but there isn't anything else I've found that can really replace it.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by blibble on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @06:57AM (#32835445)
they'll add ads to that once enough people are using it
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by sofixa on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:56AM (#32835910)
Bullshit. The whole and only point of Premium is that it has no ads. If they add them for paid users too they'll lose pretty much all of them.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by i67vw3 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:22AM (#32836802)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/business/media/netflix-am...

https://www.polygon.com/23300486/disney-plus-subscription-ad...

https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/20/17761760/twitch-prime-tur...

Like the above sites, later on you will need to buy Youtube Premium Pro to actually get ad free youtube experience. Later on the current premium will definitely have ads.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by _fat_santa on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @11:13AM (#32838388)
I would argue that Youtube, while being a video streaming service, is fundamentally different than Disney+, Hulu, Netflix, etc.

Biggest difference is YT does not incur production and distribution costs (ie distribution rights). Creators on YT upload their videos and YT only pays out when they also make money off the ads.

So if a creator made a video and published it on YT and the thing got 10 views and no ad-revenue, the only cost for YT is the infra costs. Contrast that with a company like Netflix where they purchase rights to a film or TV series that flops.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by i67vw3 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @12:25PM (#32839470)
What you said is true to some extent, but youtube also makes their own youtube originals.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6358146?hl=en

It also has youtube gaming where they pay streamers (buy out streamers at once) via contract just like Netflix buys rights for movies and tv shows.

https://www.polygon.com/23053800/sykkuno-youtube-deal-stream...

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by sofixa on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:45AM (#32837089)
And who would pay for Premium non-Pro? The situation really isn't comparable because YouTube is already available for free with ads. Paying to get less ads isn't a great value add.

> Later on the current premium will definitely have ads.

I take it you work on the strategy of YouTube?

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by i67vw3 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @12:19PM (#32839360)
> And who would pay for Premium non-Pro? The situation really isn't comparable because YouTube is already available for free with ads. Paying to get less ads isn't a great value add.

To get Youtube Original content like Kobra Kai (it moved to netflix in the end)

https://deadline.com/2020/06/cobra-kai-moves-netflix-youtube...

Or for non-premium user will get 5 ads before start of video whereas Premium user will get 1 ad before videos and get youtube originals, background video playback, download videos, youtube music etc. And Youtube Premium Pro users will get all other benefits of Premium users with one extra feature of going completely ad-free.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by JohnFen on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @06:26PM (#32844277)
> To get Youtube Original content

Do a lot of people want that?

I subscribe to YouTube premium but I've never been tempted to watch any of the original content. None of it is what I go to YouTube for. But I'm a sample size of one.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by JohnFen on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @01:33PM (#32840470)
But if that's the direction they go with, why would they bother offering just plain YouTube Premium? It would have no value proposition at all.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by i67vw3 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @10:51PM (#32846398)
I have replied with my reasoning in this comment thread. Check it out.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by frumper on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @11:32AM (#32838630)
Cable TV would like a word with you.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by mklarmann on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:02AM (#32835482)
I do receive youtube's request to purchase premium about each time I go on the site (I am not logged in, use privacy protection) for years now. I am so pissed off by their aggressive marketing and with every click to get away with the banner my decision becomes more solid. I will never be able to pay for it.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by emptyparadise on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:38AM (#32835766)
Not paying for my shitty media addiction is the last desperate petty act of rebellion I can do.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by tomjen3 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @01:28PM (#32840387)
Thats great for you.

For me, its way overpriced, considering they are not creating any of the content and it doesn't actually cover all ads.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by colejohnson66 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @03:31PM (#32842135)
> and it doesn't actually cover all ads

That's not true at all. I've been paying for Premium for over a year, and I can say with certainty that I have seen zero ads placed by YouTube. The only ones I've seen are ones creators put in themselves.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by mrguyorama on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @04:14PM (#32842733)
So it doesn't cover all ads. Sponsored content is advertising. If youtube premium doesn't result in creators making enough to support themselves then it's feeding youtube for no net gain.

Any "pay for youtube directly" strategy MUST result in a creator 1) not needing to get external revenue from merch, sponsors, patreon, or anything like that. 2) not be so at the mercy of youtube algorithms and unaccountable decision trees that content match them to silence, remove their payment through "demonitization", and provide actual support to the creators so they can focus on creating instead of whipping up public shitstorms just to get basic support, and 3) reward creators for making higher quality content, instead of more addictive or "engaging" content.

Right now Youtube Premium isn't that service. What is that service? Floatplane and nebula are trying to be that service. Nebula specifically has nearly every high quality, "tech, science, invention, discovery, learning etc" content creators and it's like $100 a year. All of my favorite content creators are part of it.

Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by tomjen3 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @05:44PM (#32843810)
Exactly. Not all ads.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by zeroth32 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:03AM (#32835488)
I just mirror all channels locally. This way I can also control what my kids see.
Re:YouTube currently testing 5 to 10 unskippable ads before ... by fbn79 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:06AM (#32835521)
Really? What content do you/family like to watch if I may ask?