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Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by afterburner on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @05:46AM (#32835013)
It's worse than a lottery for some. It rewarded incorrect thinking on how the financial industry works.

Speculative spikes can happen for a lot of reasons, but that Bitcoin would replace all currencies (as early advocates would have had you believe) was not one of those reasons.

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by theplumber on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @06:56AM (#32835440)
>> but that Bitcoin would replace all currencies (as early advocates would have had you believe) was not one of those reasons.

Bitcoin was not bought because people believed it will replace all currencies. They bought bitcoin to get rich fast and cash out BEFORE the expected crash.

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by jl6 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @11:10AM (#32838339)
A lot of the early enthusiasm absolutely was from cypherpunk futurists who genuinely did want/expect it to make traditional finance obsolete.
Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by JeremyNT on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @01:48PM (#32840680)
This is pretty amusing to me, as somebody who did buy into the early hype - now over a decade ago. I actually got really excited about bitcoin, even mining way back when. It seemed like the possibilities were endless!

That excitement disappeared pretty quickly once I came to the (in hindsight, obvious) realization that its only valid use cases were illicit transactions and speculation. I donated whatever I had and moved well away from it (certainly a poor financial decision in retrospect, but I still believe it was the right choice personally).

The shine has been off BTC for a long time. Even though some (if not most) of the early adopters were as you describe, I suspect that almost all of the more recent comers have only joined the party for the get rich quick scheme.

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by mrb on Thursday September 15, 2022 @02:36PM (#32856490)
«its only valid use cases were illicit transactions and speculation»

Crytocurrencies have many valid use cases. For one, they are the only system that allows sending money truly anywhere in the world, to anyone, anytime, and near-instantly. No other system accomplishes this. My most poignant example was being able to send money to a then-homeless unbanked friend, on a sunday, and he even converted it to cash in hands within 1 hour as he was near a bitcoin ATM. In such an emergency, no other system would have worked. We briefly considered Western Union but he was banned from them due to previous financial issues. So the permissionless aspect of Bitcoin was another benefit.

It's a little puzzling that you were an early adopter, and yet did not appreciate the qualities. Perhaps you think crypto isn't useful to you personally, therefore it has no use cases for anyone else.

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by throw10920 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @03:37PM (#32842247)
> its only valid use cases were illicit transactions

What makes this argument different than the "I don't have anything to hide" anti-privacy argument?

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by undreren on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @04:16PM (#32842769)
The “only valid use cases” of privacy is not to hide illegal or criminal activity.

Crypto currency is a wasteful, destructive, expensive and innefficient technology that has few benefits except facilitating crimes like tax evasion, money laundering, financing terrorism and purchasing drugs.

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by throw10920 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @04:35PM (#32843006)
> The “only valid use cases” of privacy is not to hide illegal or criminal activity.

What are the others, in the specific context of this conversation (which is privacy from the government, not from random other citizens)?

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by undreren on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @04:42PM (#32843079)
Governments could easily use private data to blackmail or silence you, even if you’ve done nothing illegal.

This is perhaps the primary reason that the right of privacy even exists.

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by yellowapple on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @07:57PM (#32845147)
Governments could also easily freeze bank accounts, even if you've done nothing illegal.

Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin directly mitigate (if not outright prevent) that risk.

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by undreren on Thursday September 15, 2022 @01:03AM (#32847260)
Governments can also violate all your other rights as well. But this completely irrelevant to the post I responded to.
Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by yellowapple on Thursday September 15, 2022 @04:41PM (#32858162)
It's absolutely relevant. You replied with one way a government can violate your rights and the importance of mitigating that violation. I replied with another way a government can violate your rights and the importance of mitigating that violation.
Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by MomoXenosaga on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:08PM (#32845714)
Privacy isn't absolute otherwise we wouldn't have CPS.
Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by undreren on Thursday September 15, 2022 @12:48AM (#32847171)
I did not imply that it was.
Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by mrb on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @12:56PM (#32839920)
As an early Bitcoin adopter, I wouldn't say so. I have never seen anyone among the people I knew in the Bitcoin community in the last 12 years who believed it would "make tradfi obsolete".

For example, I expect Bitcoin to likely remain an alternative system, used only for a minority of transactions. And this view didn't conflict with my desire to buy in when I did.

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by sizzle on Thursday September 15, 2022 @01:39AM (#32847519)
Wow 12 years in the game, did you make F U money?
Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by theplumber on Friday September 16, 2022 @02:44AM (#32862887)
>> A lot of the early enthusiasm

These people were minning not buying bitcoin.

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by afterburner on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @08:33AM (#32836235)
Yeah, that was happening too, but I was getting an earful of terrible economic viewpoints in the earlier days.

I guess they could have all been lying to puff up their investments, but then I guess I'm left with thinking those particular people were stupid and liars.

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by JauntTrooper on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @10:30AM (#32837747)
I remember hearing similar economic arguments in 2006 - 2012 about gold and silver.

I often wonder if those same people moved into Bitcoin.

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by spiralx on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @05:02PM (#32843307)
When I saw the announcement of the release of the Bitcoin 0.3 client back on Slashdot in 2010, both the whitepaper and the comments (and who was making them) cemented my view as it being more of the "an-cap gold-buggery" that the site was rampant with. Basically the same people making the same arguments that they had over the Liberty Dollar a year previously following the arrest of its founders, and before that any time money came up as a topic i.e. fiat bad, gold good - which carried straight into fiat bad, gold good, Bitcoin best of all...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_dollar_(private_curren...

Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by MrMan on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @12:31PM (#32839554)
those people (where I was) also loudly predicted (and lost real-money bets) on the trading floor that Obama was definitely coming for our guns and that mass shootings were all false flag operations to justify seizure of personal firearms. The Venn diagram of gun nuts and gold bug - hard money types at many places I frequent was basically a circle.
Re:One year on, El Salvador’s Bitcoin experiment has proven ... by adastra22 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @12:26PM (#32839492)
Yes, they did.