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Re:Build your career on dirty work by bitL on Sunday September 11, 2022 @04:03PM (#32802783)
Basically, "don't get pigeonholed". It's similar to data engineers thinking they will do real ML some day and their data job is just temporary...
Re:Build your career on dirty work by mjr00 on Sunday September 11, 2022 @04:14PM (#32802880)
> It's similar to data engineers thinking they will do real ML some day and their data job is just temporary...

Hah yeah but this is just the reality of ML. "Engineer who only codes up awesome new ML algorithms" isn't a real job. For every 1 person coming up with exciting new algorithms, there's 500 people dealing with data pipelines, cleaning, maintenance, and operations. A while ago I got hired by a large SF tech company as a "machine learning engineer" and my team spent nearly all of their time writing Javascript web wrappers on top of scikitlearn. Thrilling stuff.

Re:Build your career on dirty work by disgruntledphd2 on Monday September 12, 2022 @08:50AM (#32809362)
Yeah, pretty much all data jobs are mostly ETL, unless you're a researcher.
Re:Build your career on dirty work by crispyambulance on Sunday September 11, 2022 @05:09PM (#32803287)
> "don't get pigeonholed"

I've done this with mixed results as far as career satisfaction goes.

To be honest, getting pigeon-holed isn't always a conscious choice and once you realize that's what happened it's really hard to make a transition out of it. Sometimes the best approach is to play the cards you've been dealt.

As long as one does work which is personally meaningful, intellectually challenging, and which pays "enough" and has some stability, that all makes the sting of status-envy less of a bitter pill to swallow.

On the other hand there's no shortage of obsessively status-focused people out there. There's a guy on youtube whose channel is all about getting promoted at FAANG's, specifically, Amazon. That's it. Just practical deadpan advice on getting to "L7" (https://www.youtube.com/c/ALifeEngineered). I guess it's fine if that's what one _really_ wants out of life, but it seems like a recipe for profound meaninglessness for almost everybody.

Re:Build your career on dirty work by ZephyrBlu on Monday September 12, 2022 @05:06AM (#32807658)
It's crazy to me that's how you perceive his YouTube channel. Have you watched any of his videos? I've watched all of them and he feels far more focused on helping people become a better engineer than giving you a guide for Staff+.
Re:Build your career on dirty work by maxFlow on Sunday September 11, 2022 @05:34PM (#32803496)
> It's similar to data engineers thinking they will do real ML some day and their data job is just temporary...

This is unfair to DEs, not to mention inaccurate as of 2022. The statement assumes DEs are yearning to do "real ML" while suffering in their "data job" and waiting for a chance to move "upwards". Data engineering is a terminal career path by itself which may or may not support a dedicated ML function. In fact many of my DE colleagues switched from DS/ML/DL citing "model fatigue".

Now, "ML engineers" spending 90% of their time producing a workable dataset to get to the "real ML" is a different discussion.

Re:Build your career on dirty work by bitL on Monday September 12, 2022 @01:15PM (#32813422)
I am not saying all DEs want to do ML, however to many it is advertised as a step towards good ML jobs and that is mostly incorrect.