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Re:Zoho became a $1B company without external investment by sgjohnson on Saturday September 10, 2022 @05:34PM (#32794746)
> Vote with your wallet and your conscience

What alternative mail hosting provider do you recommend? Google? Microsoft?

Google, in my humble opinion, is the single biggest evil in the digital world today.

Re:Zoho became a $1B company without external investment by jacooper on Saturday September 10, 2022 @06:07PM (#32794943)
Email; ProtonMail, Tutanota
Re:Zoho became a $1B company without external investment by sgjohnson on Saturday September 10, 2022 @06:11PM (#32794966)
ProtonMail is known for completely arbitrarily closing user accounts with 0 recourse.

> Tutanota

Never heard of them.

Re:Zoho became a $1B company without external investment by shakna on Saturday September 10, 2022 @07:47PM (#32795501)
Tutanota have been around for a bit over a decade. They close unused free accounts after six months inactivity.

Their main focus is end-to-end encrypted email. When sending encrypted emails outside of their ecosystem, they used to send a link to a temporary account, so as to reduce the chance of a leak.

They've never been hugely popular, but their name pops up a fair bit in circles where legality of things might be a bit gray. Like countries where certain human rights are suppressed, or where Tor is needed to workaround only getting government approved sites, etc.

Re:Zoho became a $1B company without external investment by jacooper on Monday September 12, 2022 @07:38PM (#32818821)
> ProtonMail is known for completely arbitrarily closing user accounts with 0 recourse

Never had an issue with them personally.

Re:Zoho became a $1B company without external investment by sofixa on Saturday September 10, 2022 @06:07PM (#32794947)
> Google, in my humble opinion, is the single biggest evil in the digital world today.

Palantir? Facebook? Google abuse user data for profit, but at least:

a) their goal is only money

b) they don't leak that data left and right, and don't leave themselves way too easy to be used for inciting genocides

Facebook is by far worse.

Re:Zoho became a $1B company without external investment by kube-system on Saturday September 10, 2022 @05:46PM (#32794825)
It’s not a contest, but there are plenty of companies that are more evil. Besides companies that are straight up criminal, my vote would go to traditional data brokers. Google might abuse their wealth of data, but at least they won’t happily sell it on the street corner.
Re:Zoho became a $1B company without external investment by sgjohnson on Saturday September 10, 2022 @05:56PM (#32794883)
> but at least they won’t happily sell it on the street corner.

what do you imagine targetted advertising is? they will sell everything they know about you to basically anyone willing to pay in the form of "I'd like to target these particular audiences in my ad campaign", and then when you get conversions from that particular campaign, it's not exactly rocket science to dereference the click to a particular individual, provided that there's a conversion.

and if you're a bit more nefarious than that, you don't even need a conversion.

Re:Zoho became a $1B company without external investment by kube-system on Saturday September 10, 2022 @06:11PM (#32794970)
Yeah, I understand the privacy concerns with targeted advertising, and agree that it is a concern, but it’s once-removed from the type of data you can get from a dedicated data broker. At a data broker you can simply ask for the data you want and they’ll directly provide it.

If Google is a chartered fishing expedition, a data broker is a fish market.

Re:Zoho became a $1B company without external investment by robertlagrant on Saturday September 10, 2022 @06:16PM (#32794994)
> it's not exactly rocket science to dereference the click to a particular individual

How?