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Re:Steve Jobs emails himself (2010) by ptato on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:31AM (#32761946)
There's something to be said about the system that allowed that to happen, and the people who made that system possible. I can't expect a person who is fearing for their life to make the most rational and compassionate decisions.
Re:Steve Jobs emails himself (2010) by bloppe on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:27AM (#32761921)
I'm sure I have a lower opinion of him than most but come on this is just slander
Re:Steve Jobs emails himself (2010) by markdown on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:55AM (#32762138)
Slander? It's factual that he used his money to get to the front of the line for an organ donation. It's possible someone in Tennessee died because a foreigner took the liver he deserved.

> Jobs couldn't pay for an organ. Nor could he pay to cut the queue. But what someone with Jobs' resources could do, according to liver transplant surgeons and ethicists, is to use money and mobility to improve the odds either by going to an area of the country where there are more organ donors, or by signing up at multiple transplant centers.

> "It's not for anybody but the rich. It's called multiple-listing, a practice some would say is unethical," said Arthur Caplan, co-chair of the United Nations Task Force on organ trafficking and chair of the department of medical ethics at University of Pennsylvania.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Economy/story?id=7902416&page=...

Re:Steve Jobs emails himself (2010) by jychang on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:38AM (#32762001)
Do you think human nature is good or bad?

And do you think if you every other human being and put them in his position at that time, do you think they would behave better or worse? Be honest with your answer.

Re:Steve Jobs emails himself (2010) by ekianjo on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:32AM (#32761954)
> There's no grey there... the guy was a monster.

you mean he was selfish? I'm pretty sure this is widespread trait among humans. Let's say if people were in the same situation as him with FU money and the ability to do that, I'm pretty sure most would do exactly what he did.

Re:Steve Jobs emails himself (2010) by isatty on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:57AM (#32762165)
If you had the money and desperately needed a liver transplant, you’d do the same. Or try to.

Disclaimer: I don’t know if the statement you made is factual or otherwise, but if the system let him do it, then I don’t see the point in expecting him to be altruistic.

Re:Steve Jobs emails himself (2010) by iso1631 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:30AM (#32761939)
The American healthcare system, and capitalism in general, tells us that richer people have more right to healthcare than poorer people. Even when supply is fixed (say land), we distribute it based on the ability and willingness of someone to pay, not on need.

Why should organ transplants be any different?

Re:Steve Jobs emails himself (2010) by ekianjo on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:33AM (#32761963)
> Why should organ transplants be any different?

the organ collection does not follow any capitalist principle. You can't sell your own organs even if you wanted to. So thats a pretty bad point to make.

Re:Steve Jobs emails himself (2010) by markdown on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:38AM (#32762485)
> Jobs couldn't pay for an organ. Nor could he pay to cut the queue. But what someone with Jobs' resources could do, according to liver transplant surgeons and ethicists, is to use money and mobility to improve the odds either by going to an area of the country where there are more organ donors, or by signing up at multiple transplant centers.

> "It's not for anybody but the rich. It's called multiple-listing, a practice some would say is unethical," said Arthur Caplan, co-chair of the United Nations Task Force on organ trafficking and chair of the department of medical ethics at University of Pennsylvania.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Economy/story?id=7902416

Re:Steve Jobs emails himself (2010) by iso1631 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:01AM (#32762201)
That's on the supply side. Many items with a limited/fixed supply (land for example) are operated under capitalist principles.

So why do we not allow people to sell their own organs? Or eggs and sperm? Or rent out our womb, or sell our hair?

Do we not have sovereignty over our own bodies?