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Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by dereg on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @03:16PM (#32755214)
Moreover, it's amazing how they've managed to make a bluetooth accessory that is intuitive to older folks. I never bothered buying my parents bluetooth devices because they'd always end up in the drawer from disuse. They use their Airpods daily and never ask me for help. A wonder.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by 8ytecoder on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @03:37PM (#32755598)
I’ve seen people minimize the usability of the AirPods. My dad who’s quite technology-averse, figured it out in 2 minutes while I helped him over FaceTime. The only reason he agreed to even try it was because the wired EarPods broke. Since then he just loves his AirPods.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by aqme28 on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:10PM (#32756927)
This is Apple’s strength in general. Much easier for older folks to use.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by leetbulb on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @09:14PM (#32759749)
Not even older folks. The technologically exhausted, too. I write code for a living and hack on hardware as a hobby. When I go on a walk or just want to chill out, I absolutely love when this kind of stuff just works. I will (and do) pay a massive premium for that. Major respect to the developers, it's obviously a feat. The haters can go recompile gentoo :)
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by fezfight on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @11:13PM (#32760729)
Haters will continue to push the overton window back towards freedom. Your welcome.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by karl-j on Thursday September 08, 2022 @10:12AM (#32765769)
It is appreciated, but we all have to choose our battles.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by jonny_eh on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:38PM (#32757308)
And when it's easy enough for older folks, they're also generally better for even savvier users.

I like hacking around a Linux workstation as much as the next nerd, but when I put BT headphones in my ears to listen to a podcast, I want it to just work.

That said, every so often I need to toggle my iPhone's bluetooth switch in Settings. Even Apple's software isn't 100%.

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by thathndude on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:45PM (#32759522)
I’ve never really unpacked this idea in my mind before, but if you stop for a second you can quickly appreciate how powerful this type of experience is.

Older folks do not like feeling left behind. if Apple is causing them to feel liberated from their state of techno exile, that’s going to create insane goodwill.

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by solardev on Thursday September 08, 2022 @01:35AM (#32761582)
And us younger folk appreciate not having to play tech support for the nthteenth time.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by ASalazarMX on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:25PM (#32757160)
...with other Apple products. FTFY

Being Bluetooth, technically the Airpods will connect to say, a Dell laptop, but in practice they will have erratic behavior, which you can solve by buying a mac... and teaching said old folks how to use MacOS instead of Windows.

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by puyoxyz on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:33PM (#32757249)
While they don’t have the excellent UX of Airpods with Apple products when used with non-Apple products, I’ve never experienced this “erratic behavior”. They just work like bluetooth headphones with no weird issues. I regularly use them with my desktop on both Linux and Windows, I’ve used them with my Nintendo Switch, etc… and no erratic behavior
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by MBCook on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:35PM (#32758762)
Agreed. You put them in the case, hold the one button (basically the “pair” button) for a sec, and connect from your device.

Bam. Work perfectly after that.

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by tinus_hn on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:56PM (#32759021)
For some reason on Windows AirPods show up as two different types of devices (not left and right) one of which sounds very bad with a lot of noise. And of course if you connect AirPods with your iPhone and your Windows laptop they’ll start fighting over who gets to connect.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by CDSlice on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @09:17PM (#32759765)
This isn’t an AirPods specific issue, it’s a Windows issue. My laptop does the same thing with my galaxy buds where it shows two devices when I connect them. One of them uses the Bluetooth profile for headphones which sounds decent and the other uses the profile for headsets which sounds like garbage but that is needed in order to have the bandwidth to use the built in mic.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by jolux on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:21PM (#32759283)
I believe the different Bluetooth codecs show up as different devices under Windows, so I assume the noisy one is the one for calls. Not sure exactly why it’s like this.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by mbreese on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @09:09PM (#32759720)
Windows and Bluetooth headphones just don’t work well together, regardless of manufacturer. And good luck of the headphones also have a mic and support the headset profile.

I recently went through this with a new Windows laptop. It was quite a shock after being in the Mac world for years how bad an experience Windows and headphones is.

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by solardev on Thursday September 08, 2022 @01:37AM (#32761593)
Use the nicer one for listening. Use the shittier one for conferences. It's not an Airpod thing, Bluetooth just sucks and doesn't support high fidelity full duplex audio.

Same issue on Macs for what it's worth. If you are listening to music and a meeting starts and the mic turns on, the protocol will switch and everything will sound like crap.

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by can16358p on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:05AM (#32761788)
Not just older folks. As a dev and tech enthusiast, even if I dig into technical bits of many things, at the end of the day I want something that works, battle-tested, and reliable. (okay a few failures in past years like keyboard failures, but still better than competition)

Apple just gives me that.

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by ricardobayes on Thursday September 08, 2022 @05:58AM (#32763447)
My only huge issue with Apple is that they create this 'them and us' mentality. I can't share a raw iPhone video with non mac users, because of the proprietary format. If Apple really wants to create a universal computer, it should work at creating the interfaces with the rest of us. It should not be a walled garden. Removing this boundary would make me love Apple.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by can16358p on Thursday September 08, 2022 @09:59AM (#32765588)
Yeah, I agree, Apple has a reputation of doing things "its own way" which is sometimes frustrating for sure.

BTW for that specific use case AFAIK iPhone uses H.265 and H.264 (and ProRes but I don't think you're mentioning that when saying "raw", rather meaning straight out of device) videos inside a MOV container, which are both widely available (with H.265 having some license fees but available virtually on every device).

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by brundolf on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:24PM (#32758622)
Much easier for everyone to use. When I first got my AirPods, they were the biggest single piece of life-friction-removal I've gotten from a piece of technology since my first smartphone
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by inasio on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:46PM (#32759530)
I still remember the time I opened the box on a new Ipod, and there was no instruction booklet. The contrast with my previous device (a Sony minidisc player) was shocking.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by stemlord on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @03:42PM (#32755653)
Not that intuitive imo. I had to show my sister in law who is in her 50's that she needs to leave the case open with the airpods in it, then press the button on the back, in order to make them discoverable.

Like all apple products they do sacrifice some discoverability in favor of a sexier minimalist look

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by jen729w on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:53PM (#32756683)
When you bring an unpaired AirPods case close to a phone, all you need to do is open the lid.

A photorealistic visual will appear on screen explaining what to do next. At this point, guided by the visual, you need to push the button on the back.

If you can think of a simpler way, I’d give Apple a call.

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by stemlord on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:26PM (#32757924)
With an iphone maybe so. But open the lid with the airpods inside. She couldnt figure it out.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by jen729w on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:28PM (#32757955)
Are you saying that she was pairing them with a non-Apple device?

In which case, fair enough perhaps, but it feels a tad unfair to put the burden of universal discovery for all host devices on Apple.

And is it really that un-discoverable? What would you do on any other Bluetooth device? You'd look for a button. What is there on the AirPods case? A button.

I still say: if you have a simpler idea, let's hear it.

Edit: and, I'm sure the AirPods come with a folded slip of paper in the box, as all Apple products do, explaining the very basics of how to get the thing working.

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by stemlord on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:27PM (#32758660)
> it feels a tad unfair to put the burden of universal discovery for all host devices on Apple.

I guess, but I've always felt apple deliberately thwarts such efforts for product lock in

>And is it really that un-discoverable? What would you do on any other Bluetooth device? You'd look for a button. What is there on the AirPods case? A button.

Lol but like I said you also have to arbitrarily open the lid and place both airpods inside

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by jen729w on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:04PM (#32759092)
> I guess, but I've always felt apple deliberately thwarts such efforts for product lock in

Deliberately thwarting efforts would be not having a button.

There's a button. Like every other Bluetooth headphone case. Push the button.

> Lol but like I said you also have to arbitrarily open the lid and place both airpods inside

Oh come now. In what scenario do you get handed an AirPods case and two loose AirPods and are expected to pair them? Is that what happened to your sister-in-law?

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by happyopossum on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:58PM (#32756763)
If you buy a new pair of AirPods, you should never have to do that unless you go out of your way to unpair them from your iCloud account. Also, you e over complicated it - just hold the button in the case until it’s reset, then open the lid and they will appear as new.

> Like all apple products they do sacrifice some discoverability in favor of a sexier minimalist look

And which Bluetooth headphones have a more ‘discoverable’ pairing mode?

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by dijonman2 on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:26PM (#32757176)
The Bose QC35 series 1 headphones are the best, pairing semantics work great with fantastic range. The QC35 II model is a major downgrade.
Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by unglaublich on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:06PM (#32756016)
When you first connect them, iOS will automatically detect the presence of the AirPods and suggests to connect to them in a small window.

Then your Apple account is used to make all your idevices recognize your AirPods.

For 90% of people, that solves 100% of their problems.

Re:AirPods Pro (2nd Generation) by matt-attack on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @03:45PM (#32755698)
True, but at least it's a one time thing. And it results in automatic pairing to all devices in iCloud account.