Re:Is engineering management bullshit?
by b3morales on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @12:58PM
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The key that I think makes all the difference is to treat moving to management as not a promotion, but just a change to a different career track. Same as if the person went into design or any other non-engineering role.
Re:Is engineering management bullshit?
by taneq on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:33PM
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Remember that the Peter principle only applies to people who’ve peaked and who are in roles with some meaningful promotion path remaining. It doesn’t apply to someone who’s working their way up the ranks and is currently an engineering manager. It also doesn’t apply to someone in that role in a small-to-midsized company where there’s nowhere further to be promoted without buying out the owner.
Re:Is engineering management bullshit?
by grumple on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @10:38AM
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The Peter Principle is just an idea someone had (and intended to be satire) and not an actual factual reflection of the way the world works.
Re:Is engineering management bullshit?
by fluoridation on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @11:12AM
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The fact that it's satire doesn't make it untrue.
Re:Is engineering management bullshit?
by drewcoo on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @12:47PM
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Not just that. The fact that it's satire means it's at least somewhat true.
Re:Is engineering management bullshit?
by afarrell on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @12:21PM
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However if the satyrical speaker did not believe that they had a duty of care to the truth, then it is bullshit[1].
[1] Prof. Harry Frankfurt, On Bullshit. http://www2.csudh.edu/ccauthen/576f12/frankfurt__harry_-_on_...
Re:Is engineering management bullshit?
by fluoridation on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @12:48PM
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Not really, that does not follow. It is possible to speak the truth by accident.
Re:Is engineering management bullshit?
by afarrell on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @03:12PM
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It is also possible to arrive safely at your destination via reckless driving.
Re:Is engineering management bullshit?
by fluoridation on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:12PM
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It is equally incorrect to assume that someone who speaks "without a duty of care to the truth" is saying something true or false, if given no other information.
Re:Is engineering management bullshit?
by afarrell on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:05AM
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Indeed. It is just something someone said once, not necessarily wise to reach other conclusions from.
Re:Is engineering management bullshit?
by ZephyrBlu on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:05PM
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It does seem to be a reflection of how the world works though. Most promotions risk being promoted to your level of incompetence because they are happenstance. They mostly occur either when you're joining a new company or someone leaves/company is growing which makes room.
Being promoted because you are excelling in your position and taking on responsibilities of the one above is the rarest main reason from what I have seen.
I do understand what OP said somewhat though. Mostly due to Peter's principle, thus, managers are not "about average" but "mostly incompetent". It is easier to promote people managers than ICs in growing organization, hence it is easier to play out Peter's principle in real life for people managers.