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Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by blueflow on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:11AM (#32748332)
How jokes are reacted to. Jokes can be unfunny or tasteless, but when someone argues big concepts that a joke must not be made, its a big red flag.
Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by lrvick on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:53AM (#32748605)
At an old office we had a bit of a meme around yomamma jokes.

They were always nonsensical and certainly not graphic or directed at any actual mothers but one person randomly got super mad about it and complained to upper management and such jokes were explicitly banned on company property.

Then the nerf guns were banned.

Then all lights had to be on 100% migrane inducing brightness.

Then all desks had to be clean and free of any non-essential objects.

Most of engineering quit around that point.

Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by donw on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:32AM (#32748454)
Exactly.

The difference between a joke and bullying is that if it's a joke, the mark gets a laugh out of it as well.

Also that the honor of being the mark rotates around the group somewhat fairly. If you're either never the butt of the joke, or always the butt of the joke, you know that the people around you either don't respect or trust you.

Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by hk__2 on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:02AM (#32748671)
> The difference between a joke and bullying is that if it's a joke, the mark gets a laugh out of it as well.

Not really. You never know if they genuinely laugh or if it’s a way to attenuate the group pressure they’re the victime of.

Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by lrvick on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:55AM (#32748620)
When I -stop- finding silly things to make fun of people for, then they know I am actually upset at them.
Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by hk__2 on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:05AM (#32748700)
And conversely when someone argues big concepts ("freedom of speech", etc) to continue making tasteless jokes that people don’t enjoy.
Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by tornadofart on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:14AM (#32748348)
All within reason, I assume? Or would you be OK with jokes about skin color and such? I'm not humoring you, I'm genuinely interested in your answer.
Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by PointlessLogin on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:40AM (#32748508)
> would you be OK with jokes about skin color and such?

No, I'd never take the piss like that..... not even out of gingers.

(BTW: Quality piss taking is expected in the UK, to the extent a US HR department would probably have a fit, and probably the moderators of this US dominated forum for the above joke!)

Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by DharmaPolice on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:44AM (#32749821)
>Or would you be OK with jokes about skin color

I would, although as with everything it's context dependent. My boss is African and has on more than one occasion got my name mixed up with another colleague (we're white). In a meeting he did it again, realised his mistake and was on the verge of saying something but caught himself. I offered in mock outrage - "Well, all white people look alike - is that it?" to which he burst out laughing as that was exactly what he was going to say. But that kind of humour (whether it's funny or not) is not at anyone's expense. It also took place between colleagues who have worked together for years now and in a setting we're reasonably sure no-one is going to take offence.

Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by blueflow on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:41AM (#32748509)
You can make sexist or racist jokes as you want if you are the butt of the joke yourself. It still makes other people laugh.
Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by tornadofart on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:00AM (#32748662)
If we can agree on 'knowing the difference between jokes and harrassment / mobbing' then I'm with you on this. It's all about context. 'Just a prank / joke' is too often an excuse for things that are actually worse.
Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by polotics on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:25AM (#32748791)
the problem with that is lack of culture in the recipient, for example most of my peers would be very confused with the W word, ie. "Whitey" from Giles Scott Heron's "Whitey on the noon"...
Re:Ask HN: Work Culture Canary? by Mashimo on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:21AM (#32748385)
"I don't need sunscreen, I'm so pale I just reflect the sun light"

Easy joke based on my skin color :P