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Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by lghh on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:08PM (#32740815)
Seems to me like lots of people in SF would rather live in an indoor box than an outdoor box.

Why not let those without homes choose if they are willing to take the risks associated with ignoring those rules over l king on the streets?

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by raydev on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @05:25PM (#32743396)
> lots of people in SF would rather live in an indoor box than an outdoor box.

Yes, and people voluntarily placed themselves under indentured servitude before it was made illegal.

If there's a housing shortage, the solution isn't to remove bare minimum housing standards for everyone.

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by entropicdrifter on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:14PM (#32740900)
Because that's how you get the haves taking even greater advantage of the have-nots, to the point of injury, illness, and death in the name of slightly greater profits.
Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by lghh on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:58PM (#32741589)
How? By letting them sleep inside? I don't understand.
Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by bluefirebrand on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @01:14AM (#32746605)
By lowering acceptable living standards, the haves, aka the landlords, would be able to cheaply produce bottom of the barrel, barely acceptable living spaces and then since there is a housing crisis they could charge a premium for the have nots, aka the renters, in order to live in those shitty, barely acceptable homes.
Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by stavros on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:13PM (#32740880)
Presumably an office space would still cost more than a homeless person could afford, so it's not economical to convert an office to ultra-cheap housing.
Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:33PM (#32741183)
> Presumably an office space would still cost more than a homeless person could afford, so it's not economical to convert an office to ultra-cheap housing

It may be something a marginally housed person could afford, though. Maybe that makes room in their budget for healthier food, addiction counseling or after-school tutoring. Or maybe they're already strained and would otherwise be on the street.

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by jcadam on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:18PM (#32740951)
An open floor plan office has plenty of space for rows of bunks. Better than sleeping outside.
Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by silicon2401 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:16PM (#32740921)
> Why not let those without homes choose if they are willing to take the risks associated with ignoring those rules over l king on the streets?

I'd rather have a government that enforces a high quality of life.

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by ethbr0 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:51PM (#32741491)
As would we all, but we have to be cognizant that enforcing a high quality of life also means ignoring people who can't afford the raised minimum.

By and large, I'm a fan of American-style freedom-to-succeed-or-fail, but in the context of NIMBY anti-density housing supply crunches, it feels exceptionally cruel.

'We're going to have policies that limit supply and increase the cost of housing' + 'We're going to prevent you from finding other housing by making it illegal' is a heavy one-two punch.

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by lghh on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:57PM (#32741581)
Sure, but if the choice is this in the immediate term vs "a government that enforces a high quality of life" in the maybe-but-not-for-certain long term, I'd much rather take steps in that direction instead of waiting for some mythical perfect situation to present itself.
Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by trcarney on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @05:29PM (#32743444)
Or maybe it's government involvement that has caused the whole issue in the first place and more government involvement would lead to an even bigger problem.