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Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by ptmcc on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @01:53PM (#32740594)
But that is also key to the problem: the cost to convert these buildings is already prohibitively expensive, and converting them into dormitories cannot possibly recoup the cost.

It's like how sometimes it just doesn't make sense to refactor code because it is fundamentally designed for a different purpose. Sure you can grind it out but will it be any better or cheaper than starting fresh?

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by mortenjorck on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:21PM (#32741011)
> converting them into dormitories cannot possibly recoup the cost

Once we start talking easing housing code requirements, especially if it's done in the name of increasing access to housing, the conversation becomes about just how much conversion is really necessary, and how little can be done to break even. And there's a big continuum.

If one end of this continuum is a standard college dorm setup, the other is literally just letting people camp out in an otherwise-unmodified office floor. In between are probably SRO-level accommodations, building four-wall cubicles with open ceilings for sunlight and ventilation (sometimes traditionally covered in chickenwire).

As grim as this sounds, it might actually be preferable to the current practice of allowing tent cities to proliferate downtown. The idea of an office tower slum is incredibly dystopian, but if the alternative is the properties becoming write-offs, it may be the most likely outcome.

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by ethbr0 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:57PM (#32741570)
> The idea of an office tower slum is incredibly dystopian

It's hard to get more contemporary cyberpunk than an organic community nesting in an ex-Facebook office building.

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by cycomanic on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:37PM (#32741242)
Why should anyone care about the rich owners of the office buildings having to write off their losses and instead make it easier to accommodate people like cattle. The only way they are going to recoup some of their costs is by charging significantly for the right to live in a windowless box.

So it seems this scheme is much less about helping some poor homeless person and much more about some rich investor keeping some money.

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by ethbr0 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:58PM (#32741598)
In the event regulations are relaxed, I have absolutely zero problem haircutting the hell out of the formerly-commercial owners.
Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by adam_arthur on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:10PM (#32740830)
It's not prohibitively expensive... office to residential conversions have already been done in many cases.

Of course the specifics of the building matter a lot, but it's certainly cheaper than ground up net new development.

And even if the conversion leads to abnormal units per modern standards, it will still get occupied at the right price.

Seems a no brainer to rezone most office space to residential. Free market will figure it out. You can bet buying these commercial properties at firesale prices will open up a profitable path to residential

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by sharklazer on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:00PM (#32740690)
Even bigger, most of the buildings are highly leveraged. There literally is no incentive unless the mortgages can be restructured, as the ultimate prices will be forwarded to the renter.

Everyone’s underwater a there isn’t a good solution without massive price decrease (crash) or commercial space demand re-invigorates.

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:01PM (#32740702)
> most of the buildings are highly leveraged. There literally is no incentive unless the mortgages can be restructured, as the ultimate prices will be forwarded to the renter.

This is what recessions are useful for. Underwater mortgages still need to be serviced. There might be a deal in providing assistance to the lender in exchange for financing conversion.

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by adam_arthur on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:12PM (#32740870)
It's called default and foreclosure, followed by liquidation by the lender.

The mortgages will fail for most new office space, because the underwriting used unrealistic assumptions about rents.

Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by klooney on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:05PM (#32740766)
I mean, SF residential prices are still super high, it seems like it oughta pencil out.
Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by metadaemon on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:15PM (#32740911)
I think flooding the market in new living spaces would decrease demand, leading to lower rent.
Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by olyjohn on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:31PM (#32741156)
Sometimes it feels like the people who own these buildings would rather let them rot, than make less than premium top-dollar market value.
Re:San Francisco braces for commercial real estate crash by kyleee on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @12:31AM (#32746330)
yes, i think there must be tax and accounting strategies that allow buildings to remain vacant, really to the detriment of all except the owner(s)