One thing I haven't figured out in all the replies defending KF is WHY "making fun of weirdos" requires knowing & posting their address & phone number and keeping tabs on their physical location.

This seems like a pretty easy line to draw to start to show they're serious about keeping things "look but don't touch." Allowing doxxing seems akin to "won't someone rid me of the meddlesome priest" territory.

In my personal opinion, it's a figurative memento mori (I said FIGURATIVE) to some people who get a little full of themselves and think they're untouchable, and may in fact be consistently proven right by greater society as in Keffals' case (remember this person just earned around $100,000 Canadian in a GoFundMe campaign in one week). It's a reminder that this person, too, is human and is living a messy life on Earth just like the rest of us.

> Doxxing, sometimes; swatting, no. Posting plans for any sort of real-life harassment on KF will get you mocked by other users and possibly banned.

then why does it happen all the time?

?

https://www.businessinsider.com/kiwi-farms-trans-activists-m...

One who did not impress with critical thinking skills, was swatting victim (and notorious US right-wing politician) Marjorie Taylor Greene. The person phoning in false reports on them literally did this, as transparently as possible. Via KnowYourMeme:

> According to a police report obtained by the Daily Dot, a caller tipped the police to inform them that a man had been shot five times in a bathtub in Greene's home. Police arrived at Greene's home and confirmed no such incident had occurred. The tipper then called the police department again and, using a computer-generated voice, explained the motive for their false tip was their opposition to Greene's stances on transgender youth's rights. They also stated they were a Kiwi Farms user and said their username was AltisticRight, an admin on the site.

And Marjorie Taylor Greene actually believed that the tipper told the truth and supported the deplatforming of the site. So much for the "politically incorrect" being any better on this sort of thing.

> MTG is a boomer

Are you using this as a pejorative or as a descriptor? If the latter, what's your definition of "boomer"? She was born in 1974.

"Boomer" is internet slang for a (usually, but not necessarily, older) person with little awareness of the internet and its culture. It doesn't have any strong connection to proper baby boomers. The opposite would be a "zoomer" - a young person who is unaware of older internet culture or perhaps just culture in general. A Facebook person who doesn't know what Fortnite is would be a boomer; a TikTok kid who doesn't know what the dancing baby meme is or who Michael Jackson is would be a zoomer.

So, the former.

don't be ridiculous. You could go to that forum and any number of other forums, and see a plethora of examples of doxxing, brigading, targeting, encouragement, and celebration of swatting. That's not 'the media' lying to you, that's simple direct observable fact.

"Any number of other forums" is not the topic of discussion here. If you can find any posts on Kiwi Farms which encouraged or celebrated swatting and were not ridiculed by other users and/or deleted by mods, please do so. Since this is so common, this should be an easy task, right?

I'm thankfully having trouble going there today, but I'll note that (a) you narrowed the topic to only swatting and gosh I wonder why that is, and also (b) that posts celebrating swatting are somehow mitigated by being 'ridiculed by other users' is an intriguingly contortionist theory.

Doxxing (in the sense of collecting and sharing personal but almost always legally accessible information about a person) was already ceded as something that happens on KF far up thread.

People get banned for posting about swatting, but one of the primary reasons people dox others is to be able to harass them in real life. If someone is doxed you can swat them without needing to coordinate anything, or brag about it on a forum. Folks in the forum can see the person posting about getting swatted, then all laugh at that person.

Folks being harassed by KF get swatted after being doxed. It's pretty easy to make the conclusion that they're being swatted because they've been doxed on KF.

You know the site was public when it was still up, right? Look at the evidence Keffals collected, for example: https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1560375267721363456

Can you link to where there was evidence of said swatting? the one folder specifically named "toronto swatting info" has literally nothing regarding swatting, just regarding a dox.

You even have in the document made by herself people explicitly being against it, to the point of saying people who do it should kill themselves[0].

[0]:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Lt1qmYCFKonDaIVe7yvkZQnBc0m...

Here’s the ominous disclaimer “I disavow any actions taken with this information in advance” in a post doxxing Keffals where she was eventually swatted: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1rwQ_3hMKm...

Here’s someone doxxing and saying to “just send him a Doordash”: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1rwQ_3hMKm...

Here’s someone being glib about “inconvenient but polite visits from law enforcement”: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1rwQ_3hMKm...

Here’s someone saying he’d have “danced for joy” if London cops had shot Keffals: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1rwQ_3hMKm...

Is this person talking about swatting in general, or specifically by Kiwi Farms? https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1rwQ_3hMKm...

More lamenting the SWAT officers didn’t kill Keffals: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1rwQ_3hMKm...

Just a heads up, you need to share the images from the google drive thru the elipses in the top right of the picture to link them, as it stands all those links go to the folders.

> Here’s the ominous disclaimer “I disavow any actions taken with this information in advance” in a post doxxing Keffals where she was eventually swatted.

If we are to assume that posting a dox is evidence for swatting sure, but if we don't that is not more ominous than anything else that could've been said.

>Here’s someone being glib about “inconvenient but polite visits from law enforcement”: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1rwQ_3hMKm...

I assume this is violent threat #24[0]? this was after the swatting happened and is referring to the statement from the police[1] that clarified they just knocked on the door to come in and were let in, and didn't really deadname her in the manner that was claimed, contrary to her recollection of events. I quote the statement from the police department: " Officers did not conduct what is sometimes referred to as a “dynamic entry” into Ms. Sorrenti’s residence. Rather, they knocked on the door, announced themselves as police officers, and occupants answered. Any attempt by uninvolved third parties to suggest otherwise is inaccurate and irresponsible. "

It wasn't being glib about it from my point of view

All others by your description, just show people there being nasty, which seems to be par for the curse, but nothing pointing towards doing the swatting.

[0]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vgqW69SZn-yfjrLQKBnJ8XudEA4... [1]: https://www.londonpolice.ca/en/news/statement-from-police-ch...

Oh, yes, well, I know I said you couldn't trust Business Insider, but if no less a credible and unbiased authority as Keffals says something, then I must humbly stand corrected.

That link is full of screenshots of Kiwi Farms. Where exactly are the goalposts here?

The goalposts are a post on KF which advocates violence or doxing, was not mocked or deleted, and is still currently on KF - so screenshots of posts taken before they were mocked and/or deleted do not count (and it's quite possible any such screenshots in Keffals' possession were posted by Keffals or another affiliate and then snapped before they were mocked and/or deleted anyway).

Again, if this is such frequent behavior, you should be able to fire up a Tor browser, go to the site, and drop several links to such posts right now.

I see — the goalposts don’t exist. If there’s an eyewitness account, they could be lying. If there’s a screenshot of a deleted post, it could be fabricated. If it’s an active post, well, how do we know it’s not a fake post by someone trying to make Kiwi Farms look bad?

Make a snapchat like site where only terrorists post, and posts are erased after 2 hours. No harm no foul, since nothing is permanent?

Not sure where you're going with this since KF doesn't work this way.

Your argument was that since bad posts were eventually removed, the site itself was not advocating those things, sidestepping the issue of which people are drawn there and what the main use of the site is.

What is the motive of the lie? To shut down Kiwi Farms?

<MrKrabs>Money.</MrKrabs>

They aren't actively lying or even putting in effort to lie for the sake of it. They just aren't putting in the effort to uncover the truth and explaining things beyond outrage bait. A few clickbait articles help generate clicks among a majority crowd that doesn't even know what KF is, and will have forgotten by tomorrow. They just care about the clicks.

Which leads to millions of half-truths which are far more complicated in depth, but most people aren't going through the effort to criticize what they read. They just want the quick drama to talk about and go on with their day.

Anyone who's read a magazine intended for the opposite gender can tell most of the articles regarding their own gender is largely bogus half-truths missing nuance. It's no different in most other spaces, but it's not as obvious when you don't have expertise on the matter yourself.

Some proof would be nice. This is just conjecture. Maybe you are lying

I have no proof that the person who called the police and said they are not AltisticRight from the Kiwi Farms was not really AltisticRight from the Kiwi Farms.

But again, use a little critical thinking. Most of the time people do not gleefully name themselves after they have committed a major crime.

> But again, use a little critical thinking. Most of the time people do not gleefully name themselves after they have committed a major crime.

Do a web search for “dumb criminals” and you might want to revisit that thought. “America's Dumbest Criminals”¹ had enough content to run for over one hundred episodes in four seasons over two decades years ago.

¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Dumbest_Criminals