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Re:All poverty is energy poverty by photochemsyn on Monday September 05, 2022 @11:05AM (#32725117)
On this:

> "There's probably about 3 million households in Rwanda, and a vanishingly small number have a fridge. A refrigerator uses about 2 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of energy per day, so if we were able to get one into every household, that would add about 2 billion kWh (2 terawatt-hours, or tWh) to Rwanda's annual energy usage. That's about as much energy as there is contained in 1 million barrels of oil — and fully one-third of Rwanda's current primary energy consumption."

1) Energy-efficient refrigerators are available at ~1.1 kwH/day. This reduces the needed energy estimate by about half.

2) Energy capture for refrigeration from solar in Rwanda makes much more sense than oil production does. Under full sunlight, a decent 2.5 kW solar array produces about 10 kWH per day (as the full 2.5 KW is only produced at noon, tailing off towards morning and evening). As you probably want to run the refrigerator at night, a battery capable of storing about half that output (5 kWH) would also be needed.

The notion that you'd want to set up an oil-burning power plant (which only converts energy stored in oil to electricity at ~25% efficiency or so) in Rwanda is pretty silly.

As far as claims that there isn't enough land to set up solar panels to provide this minimal home energy supply, the roofs of most dwellings would provide adequate area. It's also possible to grow a wide variety of crops in conjunction with wind turbines and solar panels on agricultural land (wide spacing is all).

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by ebiester on Monday September 05, 2022 @11:38AM (#32725511)
I think the point is explained further below - the author is making a reference to the amount of energy required if the world had a developed standard of living, not saying that we would ever use natural gas down there.

> It can be done. In the near term, it is conceivable that already-common sources of renewable energy like wind and solar power can meet most of the need. Things would be easier if existing nuclear power technologies were expanded, or at least if we avoided shutting such plants down prematurely.

> But the more fanciful world described above—the one in which, thanks to plentiful energy, the world has eliminated want—is possible only with continued innovation. In the long term, the renewables we currently have will hit a ceiling.

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by nordsieck on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:11PM (#32725929)
> Energy-efficient refrigerators are available at ~1.1 kwH/day. This reduces the needed energy estimate by about half.

There's a number of people experimenting with converting chest freezers to chest fridges using an external thermostat. Apparently, these can be extremely efficient - people are reporting 10-20% of your 1.1kwH/day number.

Of course, the typical downsides of a chest freezer apply to a chest fridge - they're typically much more limited in size compared to their upright counterparts due to ergonomics, and the larger they are, the more difficult they are to fully utilize.

But they're a lot better than no fridge at all.

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by jules on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:08PM (#32726574)
What explains the big difference?
Re:All poverty is energy poverty by jusssi on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:53PM (#32727106)
Cold air likes to go down. When you open a fridge door, the cold air pours out at the bottom. When you open a chest, it stays in the chest.

Also, a freezer probably has better insulation than a fridge to begin with, since it's designed to hold bigger temperature differential.

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by pbhjpbhj on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:28PM (#32727535)
Fridges should probably be designed with multiple sections rather than open shelves?
Re:All poverty is energy poverty by affgrff2 on Monday September 05, 2022 @11:22AM (#32725303)
I don't think the author suggests to set up an oil-burning power plant, that number is just for visualization. And I guess you could even go without a battery at night by converting the energy from the daylight directly into cold.
Re:All poverty is energy poverty by WalterBright on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:55PM (#32726422)
> As you probably want to run the refrigerator at night

My experience with power failures is that the refrigerator will keep the food cold enough overnight if you don't open the door.

Even so, the refrigerator could make ice during the day and be an ice chest at night. No need at all for a battery.

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by dredmorbius on Monday September 05, 2022 @08:10PM (#32730980)
This.

There are numerous heating/cooling applications in which excess capacity at peak capabilities is banked for later use. Thermal energy storage for thermal energy applications is exceedingly efficient as there are no further conversion losses.

Solar power refrigeration which chills an ice block to an arbitrarily low temperature then relies on that to maintain the chilled-compartment temperature during periods of low or no power would be the obvious option.

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by izend on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:48PM (#32726355)
For a 2.5 kW solar system would cost somewhere around $2-5K USD and the 5kWH battery would also cost $2-5K USD. I don’t think the average Rwanda citizen has $5-10K available to install just enough power to run their fridge.
Re:All poverty is energy poverty by Panzer04 on Monday September 05, 2022 @07:49PM (#32730840)
It would certainly be on the low end I would expect, and only getting cheaper. It's unfortunate that Rwanda is so poor that even that is far too much :(
Re:All poverty is energy poverty by photochemsyn on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:12PM (#32728089)
Well that system would produce maybe 9X what the fridge needs so you'd have a lot of extra power for other uses, like AC, lights, cooking, online gaming...
Re:All poverty is energy poverty by misto on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:17PM (#32725998)
Had to check, our fridge model advertises about 0.8kwh/day. I guess while operating it with the ECO -mode.
Re:All poverty is energy poverty by lostapathy on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:10PM (#32726611)
Those numbers assume a climate controlled environment, though. If you live somewhere hot without air conditioning, the fridge has to work a lot harder.

That’s why the typical middle America “garage fridge” is such an energy hog.