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Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by hn_throwaway_99 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:18PM (#32719471)
> Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

Not sure if you're just talking about something specific to your house, or making a broader point.

Once EVs are widespread, they can add a huge amount of storage capacity to the grid. Not hard to imagine utility and government incentives that encourage car owners to make some of their battery power available at peak load times.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by sandworm101 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:54PM (#32719678)
I'm not convinced. The "smart grid" has been discussed for over a decade. Would anyone here allow their Tesla to discharge when parked, allow it to feed power back into the grid? What if those extra charge/discharge cycles decreases the battery's life expectancy? The small bonus payments (pennies) just won't cut it imho. People will charge their cars and keep them charged.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by hn_throwaway_99 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:11PM (#32719768)
> Would anyone here allow their Tesla to discharge when parked, allow it to feed power back into the grid?

I absolutely would, in fact it's a major reason I am not getting a Tesla and am instead opting for an EV that emphasizes its vehicle-to-home power capabilities (e.g. F150 Lightning and Lucid). I also know a ton of other Texans who feel the same way I do given our (deserved) lack of faith in our electric grid.

Also, saying it's "feeding power back to the grid", while technically accurate, isn't necessarily how I think this will be messaged. Instead, I think it will be messaged that, in times of high demand, your house alone will be powered by your car battery and taken "off grid".

Right now, some of the biggest issues with renewables is just timing during the day (e.g. late afternoon/early evening power needs peak right as the sun is setting). Telling people they'll get a substantially discounted rate if they allow their house to be "disconnected" from the grid for a few hours (because they have a car battery that can power their house) would be a big incentive to a lot of people.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by sandworm101 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:20PM (#32719806)
But why involve your car? The logical thing to do is install a large lead-acid battery pack for the house, one which is dirt-cheap and won't suffer being charged/discharged. Lead acid batteries of a capacity equivalent to a Tesla can be had for a few hundred dollars. Lead-acids are also infinitely recyclable and don't involve the nasty/complex chemicals of lithiums. The ideal system would be to slowly charge the massive house battery whenever power is cheap, then dump it into charging the Tesla without drawing from the grid.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:29PM (#32727547)
Because the point is the car already has a giant battery. A Tesla Powerwall has 13.5 kWh of storage, while a F150 Lightning battery has nearly 10 times that.

And yes, V2H power can increase wear on the battery, but my understanding is that large strides have been made (and certainly will be made) in reducing the wear impact on the battery.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by jbay808 on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:24AM (#32721486)
What "nasty" chemicals are in a lithium battery?
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by adrianN on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:50AM (#32722387)
Lithium batteries live longer than lead acid.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by Gibbon1 on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:54AM (#32722418)
My company tried designing a unit that runs off a solar panel and battery. We initially designed around a lead acid battery. And as we kept accounting for things it just got larger and more expensive. We then switched to a lithium ion battery and it's literally a 1/3 the cost and a tenth the weight/size.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by fomine3 on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:13AM (#32720426)
As we saw in Europe and Texas, electricity price could get insane extremely high for a short time so possibly power grid operator pays more. A problem is that some people want to hoard electricity on their vehicle in such situation.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by peyton on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:55PM (#32719683)
It’s actually pretty difficult to imagine round trip AC to DC to AC in people’s garages being competitive price-wise but who knows? Maybe in colder climates where cooling is less of an issue.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by epistasis on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:16PM (#32719791)
It's all about the delta of low-cost to high-cost electricity. Most utilities are introducing time of use plans that expose customers to prices closer to the wholesale markets.

A few kWh from the middle of the charge range has about zero cost to battery life, and the owner has to pay the carrying costs of a car anyway, so their costs will be less than the cost of dedicated grid storage for those few kWh.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by oaththrowaway on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:45PM (#32719939)
Talking specifically about my house. I live off grid and wouldn't be able to produce enough power in the winter to charge a car and my house.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by JumpCrisscross on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:12PM (#32720094)
This entire thread is a collection of niche cases. I just bought a gas guzzler because in my part of Wyoming the dealership model is broken for EVs I’d want, and Tesla’s are optically problematic for me to own. But if the unaddressed market are rural Americans and those off grid, market forces making gas distribution expensive will nudge it into equilibrium.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by avtolik on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:33AM (#32721197)
> optically problematic

Damn, this sounds weird coming from a first world country.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by blitzar on Monday September 05, 2022 @07:39AM (#32723197)
A Ferrari is optically problematic for me in Central London.