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Re:Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufa... by klyrs on Friday September 02, 2022 @03:28PM (#32694837)
Hot take, apparently: VHDL/Verilog developers should make 5x what JavaScript developers make, and not the other way around.
Re:Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufa... by structural on Friday September 02, 2022 @07:10PM (#32696775)
RTL development is a very interesting beast. On one hand, development is challenging, and there's a massive amount of global $$$ in integrated circuits. These guys should be the top paid, cream of the crop, right?

However, the tools suck more than the English language has good words to describe, so it's hard for an engineer to be productive. And the products are complex, so you need a lot of engineers. And you're manufacturing physical products, so most of that huge dollar amount in the industry is trapped in manufacturing, not design. So even if you were the cream of the crop engineer, it's hard to extract much of that value for yourself.

On the other hand, webdev has extremely low capital overhead, and improvements in tools can go directly into developer productivity, which can immediately be realized as value (which gives you resources to improve even more).

So even if Verilog developers made the same money as JS developers today, in ten years, I'd expect the JS developers to make more.

One lesson here is that if you want your designs to improve rapidly, decouple them from the manufacturing business as much as you can. And you'll probably be able to pay better and attract better talent in the proces, which is a not insignificant benefit. Perhaps the rise of fabless semiconductor companies is understood even better in this light?

Re:Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufa... by tester756 on Friday September 02, 2022 @05:21PM (#32695846)
Hmm

In my country there are probably 2? 3? serious semico companies

And shitton of JS-using companies

Maybe this explains why embedded/hardware/firmware devs are underpaid?

Re:Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufa... by dougabug on Friday September 02, 2022 @05:39PM (#32696018)
If it weren’t for pesky things like supply and demand.

If the pay is so low, it’s kind of curious that the supply doesn’t drop.

Re:Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufa... by AlphaSite on Saturday September 03, 2022 @02:17AM (#32699253)
Prestige can confound this in the short or medium term.
Re:Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufa... by dougabug on Saturday September 03, 2022 @09:06PM (#32708549)
Prestige can be a kind of non-monetary compensation, but one which is generally difficult to measure, especially for rank-and-file employees.
Re:Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufa... by pts_ on Saturday September 03, 2022 @12:57AM (#32698881)
But...ad revenues, microtransactions etc. Solution - hardware full of ads and rentals eek!
Re:Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufa... by y0ungarmanii on Saturday September 03, 2022 @03:45PM (#32705387)
They do if they get into high frequency trading :(
Re:Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufa... by eru on Friday September 02, 2022 @10:08PM (#32697910)
What sense of 'should' are you using here?