Re:Nuclear-Powered Cardiac Pacemakers
by jackcarter on Friday September 02, 2022 @10:59AM
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A heat pump warms a home more efficiently than using the same amount of electricity for resistive heating. It can do this because it's not generating the heat from scratch; it's moving heat from outside to inside.
A local company has developed a heat pump with a thermal energy storage system. Not sure how they do this, but I imagine there is some sort of insulated cinder blocks on a secondary loop that shuttles heat/cold to where it needs to go.
They try very hard not to be specific, but the industrial heat accumulators are usually just water.
> … heat accumulator
Thank you for helping me learn a new HVAC term!
I know. It's only >100% 'efficient' if you ignore the input of 'outside heat'. That is not a normal calculation, and not really called 'efficiency'.
It's desirable for multiple reasons, of course, but it's not efficiency.
Unfortunately by that metric other electrical heaters tend to 0% efficiency because they are not making use of the virtually unlimited energy outside the buildings.
The 400% metric let's you compare with other heaters, the 100% is kind of useless.
They're not using them as an input, so.. obviously they're not included in the input/output calculation?
Re:Nuclear-Powered Cardiac Pacemakers
by mminer237 on Friday September 02, 2022 @10:49AM
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All energy from log burners comes from the fuel, and some ashes remain unburnt. They're under 100% efficient at converting fuel to heat. You put in x fuel and <x heat.
A heat pump takes heat from outside the system. You put in x fuel and you get >x heat. Getting more energy than you put in makes the efficiency over 100%.
I know. You can't just ignore the bulk of the input and still call it 'efficiency' though.
Even manufacturers call this 'coefficient of performance', not efficiency.
Re:Nuclear-Powered Cardiac Pacemakers
by MichaelCollins on Friday September 02, 2022 @02:41PM
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Since precise use of language is so important to you:
> "You can't [...]"
He did, so obviously he can. You mean shouldn't, not can't.
Sure, a slightly irritating turn of phrase, not accurate. I didn't think it would be so controversial to hold terms of art/words with actual scientific meaning to a higher standard though.
If we're willing to be so blasé with 'efficiency' then why not, say, 'functional programming'? If it works it's functional right?
An implied qualification of "you can't [while remaining logically consistent]" is common usage.
Re:Nuclear-Powered Cardiac Pacemakers
by bufferoverflow on Friday September 02, 2022 @04:52PM
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> They're under 100% efficient at converting fuel to heat
I think only matter-antimatter reaction comes close to 100%. Burning fuels isn't even 1% of that.
If heat pumps are 400% efficient then log burners in cabins in the woods are even better.