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Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by plutonorm on Thursday September 01, 2022 @03:40PM (#32681932)
It's entirely on brand. They are playing into parent's fear of being too afraid. It's fear inception. Fuck off, I'm keeping my kids in the house until at least 10yo and that white van that has been seen prowling around is a serious threat and they should know about it. Strangers are potentially dangerous, high things are dangerous. The world will mess you up in a moment if you don't use your whole being, your gut and your head, to move intelligently within it. Being carefree and ignorant is not an optimal strategy, nor is it the path to a life lived in truth. And ultimately a life lived beautifully. Vacuous joy is not the goal here.
Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by saiya-jin on Thursday September 01, 2022 @05:39PM (#32683638)
That's one fucked up way to see the world, and... to fuck up your kids for good. I hope they are stronger than you and overcome whatever you instill(ed) in them, many do. Some would even call social services in such a case (I wouldn't but that's mostly due to general shit quality of those).

Overall, the whole article is so surreal - is this actual reality in US? Where I live, and lived, which means some parts of Europe, kids are much more self-sufficient, its expected from them and they are happy to deliver. I recall the joy and pride I felt when I begged my parents into letting me go alone for the first time on public transport from aunt home, and they let me and it was at the end simple ride with bunch of stops. The idea anybody can protect their kids 100% is completely ridiculous, just let it go. Teach them to be smart when interacting with strangers, not fearful. Are you also afraid by default when stranger approaches you ie with a question? (that would explain a lot).

Whatever inner problem you have, it can be worked on by specialists, just don't close yourself since you drag your closest family down that hole and young ones have no good defenses for messed up parents.

Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by xboxnolifes on Thursday September 01, 2022 @09:34PM (#32685588)
> Overall, the whole article is so surreal - is this actual reality in US?

Within my bubble, I would say yes. Most parents I know seems to not let their kids go unsupervised (by them or some other parent) until around 13-16. I also grew up in this kind of dynamic, but I also didn't ever feel the need/want to be in unsupervised scenarios, so I didn't notice the oddity of it until later in life.

I don't know the underlying cause, but part of it seems to be that people misunderstand and overestimate the the likelyhood of certain bad events happening, while simultaneously ignoring all of the daily risks they take and are completely fine with.

One example I hear within family is the worry about child abductions, and how there are such terrible people out there that would do such things. The misunderstanding that seems to be in play when these things come up is that 90% of child abductions are by a family member, not some random joe/jane on the street. Another non-zero amount are by care-takers, so people that parents trust enough to supervise their children. Finally there is the last few percent that people have some more valid reason to worry about. This seems like an awfully small chance event to spent a lot of time worrying about.

Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by plutonorm on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:42PM (#32709240)
wtf? Keeping kids inside unless accompanied until 10yo is a reason to call social services? It's the average where I live. There is one kid on the block that goes out, he is 7/8 and it's considered unusual and a little dangerous.

You think that we should hide the world from children? You are mistaken. Danger is real, the only safe way to live within it is with due caution, not fear but caution.

If you jump from a cliff you will die. If you fall over backwards on that climbing frame you could well hurt yourself seriously. It is not a parents job to shield children from the world but to teach them the skills to navigate it. In the first years of life we nurture and protect, as they become more capable we release them little by little into the world.

Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by lolinder on Thursday September 01, 2022 @05:43PM (#32683687)
> Overall, the whole article is so surreal - is this actual reality in US?

As with almost everything, it depends on where you are in the US, but there has been a general trend towards overprotection of kids. The GP is an extreme example, but I've definitely met parents with that same attitude.

Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by hilbert42 on Thursday September 01, 2022 @09:07PM (#32685428)
"The idea anybody can protect their kids 100% is completely ridiculous, just let it go."

You're right. I think one significant difference between my parents generation and those of us who came later, is that they lived through the depression and WWII. They knew this fact if not consciously then subconsciously for the very reason that from an early age they were often confronted with things and circumstances well outside their control. War for instance, being conscripted into the military was just a fact of life and that one had to accept it, everyone was well aware that it was essentially futile to do otherwise.

To a large extent their attitude of resignation and acceptance of fate passed onto way they treated us, their children. Like other aspects of their lives, they accepted the fact that they couldn't control everything we did, even if we were just kids.

That was a great blessing for my generation, the babyboomers. We had almost none of the major restrictions that governed our parents' lives, and it's largely the reason for why we had so much freedom and autonomy as kids.

Nevertheless, we became a bratish generation, we did what we wanted and we got what we wanted. Compared with our parents we were undisciplined and from there we eventually developed into the 'control freak' generation. As babyboomers, we were now getting just about everything denied to our parents, but when something was denied to us we became overly pushy and overbearing until we'd gotten what we wanted. After all, for us, it was a logical extension of what was already happening.

Same with the kids, babyboomers felt the need to control their lives and had no compunction or regret in doing so. Later, that fact was not lost on more recent generations and they've since honed the practice into a fine art.

Clearly, this is a grossly simplified explanation of what is a long and rich set of facts but you'll get the gist.

Nevertheless, we babyboomers should not blame our parents for seemingly the sins they endowed us with, for after the bad times and wars they'd experienced they wanted us kids to have a better life and they only did what they thought best for us.

Bless them.

Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by tasuki on Thursday September 01, 2022 @05:32PM (#32683564)
> that white van that has been seen prowling around is a serious threat and they should know about it

Care to explain?

Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by rhino369 on Thursday September 01, 2022 @05:57PM (#32683856)
Might overcharge for their plumbing services.
Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by plutonorm on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:47PM (#32709262)
There was literally an attempted kidnapping down the road from me, when a man in a white van tried to give a child sweets. What is not to understand?
Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by tasuki on Monday September 05, 2022 @07:52AM (#32723269)
Where I'm from (Eastern Europe), this is not generally a thing. Is it easier to kidnap a child using a white van? Or do the would-be kidnappers always use white vans so as to be more easily spotted?

Is the plan to kidnap the child and... raise them as a member of one's own family? Try to blackmail the parents? Something worse?

This whole situation is hard for me to understand, your confidence about white vans in particular.

Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by plutonorm on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @09:46AM (#32737053)
because it's very easy to get someone into a white van and close the doors without much fuss. If you wanted to kidnap someone what would you choose? You've never heard of rape and murder for sexual gratification? I find your innocence unlikely, it makes me think you are intentionally not understanding.
Re:Don’t teach kids to fear the world by LorenPechtel on Thursday September 01, 2022 @06:00PM (#32683895)
You teach kids not to go with strangers, you don't teach them to fear the world.