Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by ecaron on Tuesday November 22, 2011 @07:18PM
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When I read the headline but before I read the article, I had the gut "Great, what thing is Google killing now that I'm going to miss" reaction.
After reading the article, I can safely say they're making the right decision killing off all these services (Google Bookmarks Lists, Google Friend Connect, Google Gears, Google Search Timeline, Google Wave, Knol and Renewable Energy Cheaper than Coal) as part of their effort to streamline Google. I'm guessing we're nearing the point where we'll start seeing some random projects coming out again, but until then the more people they're putting towards spdy and WebP the more I'm returning to being a Google fan-boy!
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by boredguy8 on Tuesday November 22, 2011 @06:46PM
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I hope that, after the pruning process, some more 'random, rhizomatic' growth is allowed. You can't always tell what's going to be valuable ahead of time. And sometimes interesting connections happen when smart people are allowed to work on important projects.
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by j_baker on Tuesday November 22, 2011 @10:25PM
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Google is very much a random, rhizomatic company. For the project I'm working on, we have all sorts of different groups who are working on random bits of functionality (some of which overlap with and duplicate each other) that we need to integrate into one big whole. If anything, I think Google runs the risk of not having enough organization and unity.
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by tikhonj on Wednesday November 23, 2011 @12:35AM
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I'm probably in the minority, but I'm sad to see Google Wave finally die (at Google, anyhow). Still, I imagine this streamlining is ultimately good for the company and will result in higher quality for Google's remaining products.
Some of it's videos have 8 (now 9 I guess) views. I'm confused as it's not a major project and hardly anything to cancel. This must be the most press it's ever had.
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by ChuckMcM on Tuesday November 22, 2011 @07:57PM
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Internally at Google it was a lot bigger deal, mostly because of the huge power budget of data centers.
Personally, I'm surprised they killed it. The team was fairly small, and they had made some good progress on various initiatives. Perhaps if they had moved them under the Google Power company [1] it would have made more sense.
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by talir on Tuesday November 22, 2011 @08:49PM
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It is good to focus. I get that Google can only do this by killing projects that are not working.
The problems that many of these killed initiatives are trying to solve, often have successful solutions being built outside of google. Google Wave, for example. If Google doesn't have the right team working on a project, I wonder if other teams inside Google have chances to take on failed projects before they are killed. Another team might make it work.
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by timrichard on Wednesday November 23, 2011 @08:41AM
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I think 'kill' is a strong term to use.
Although the original Etherpad service was terminated some time after aquisition, the source was released in December, 2009 :
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by ww520 on Tuesday November 22, 2011 @08:24PM
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Someone should build a website to maintain all the projects Google killed. They might not be suitable to Google but someone else could build on the ideas.
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by engtech on Tuesday November 22, 2011 @09:27PM
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I'm sure it varies by project, but as has been said before when Google kills things, a lot of their projects require the core Google infrastructure (BigTable?) that isn't open sourced so it isn't possible to spin the project out.
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by MaysonL on Wednesday November 23, 2011 @12:51AM
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I wonder if I'm the only one who thinks that Google could make a lot more money, and have a lot more impact, if they opened up the "core Google infrastructure" for [paid] uses by outsiders than Google AppEngine is ever going to get them.
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by marshallp on Wednesday November 23, 2011 @08:02AM
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App engine at this point is pretty much all their infrastucture opened up - you got short/long running processes, big table, blobstore, and map reduce. You don't get c or assembly but you get golang which is pretty close.
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by obtu on Wednesday November 23, 2011 @06:24AM
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Too bad about the bookmark lists, I've found some interesting ones. They were coming up for query-by-a-handful-of-examples (à la google sets and grids), just not very well known.
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by icegreentea on Tuesday November 22, 2011 @10:03PM
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This was the first time I'd even heard of Google bookmarks. Which is kind of annoying since for the last 6 months or so, at least once a week, I'd wished that something like that existed (instead of my hilarious google doc full of urls).
So off I go looking for it... not listed under more... or even more. Go google for it (duh), find it... and WHOA blast to the past. Doesn't even have the black bar shoe horned in.
Re:More spring cleaning out of season at Google
by marshallp on Wednesday November 23, 2011 @07:59AM
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There's an also another thing that nobody seems to be discussing. What is that google is secretly cooking up in the google x lab. Larry and Sergey are ambitious guys, and the fact that they're shedding energy plan and knol, and that sergey isn't focusing much on google+ (the massive facebook threat) but instead on x lab means they've got to be gearing up to drop a serious scifi bomb on the scale of the google car (or bigger).
After reading the article, I can safely say they're making the right decision killing off all these services (Google Bookmarks Lists, Google Friend Connect, Google Gears, Google Search Timeline, Google Wave, Knol and Renewable Energy Cheaper than Coal) as part of their effort to streamline Google. I'm guessing we're nearing the point where we'll start seeing some random projects coming out again, but until then the more people they're putting towards spdy and WebP the more I'm returning to being a Google fan-boy!
Some of it's videos have 8 (now 9 I guess) views. I'm confused as it's not a major project and hardly anything to cancel. This must be the most press it's ever had.
Personally, I'm surprised they killed it. The team was fairly small, and they had made some good progress on various initiatives. Perhaps if they had moved them under the Google Power company [1] it would have made more sense.
[1] http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/google-applies-to-b...
The problems that many of these killed initiatives are trying to solve, often have successful solutions being built outside of google. Google Wave, for example. If Google doesn't have the right team working on a project, I wonder if other teams inside Google have chances to take on failed projects before they are killed. Another team might make it work.
https://github.com/ether/pad
So off I go looking for it... not listed under more... or even more. Go google for it (duh), find it... and WHOA blast to the past. Doesn't even have the black bar shoe horned in.
http://pinboard.in/