Sure they dont hang around alone in bars. But because someone is with friends doesnt mean you cant talk to them. In fact I'd guess that most single people who go to bars, with or without friends, are open to the idea of talking to people they don't know.

It's on you to figure out how to do that without making it weird.

The case in my area of Europe is that you can met a lot of people in a bar. I met my SO in one. Women do whatever they want to do.

I've heard people saying that it's not possible to meet "quality" ladies in bars. Not been my experience at all. I met my SO in a nightclub in Japan. I've met a previous girlfriend in a bar in New York and my first girlfriend in a nightclub in Spain. All of them are highly educated with two of them having Phds.

And, my experience doesn't seem to indicate that meeting interesting people in bars only happens in certain countries.

That said, I didn't necessarily go to the bars or nightclubs purely with the objective of dating. I went there to have fun, dance and meet people (men and women).

Can I ask where you live?

OC didn't say they were looking for quality women, just prospective dates in general.

There are also quality bars.

You misunderstood. The quality of the bars is irrelevant here, as most people, guys and girls, go to the bar to sit at a table and drink with one or more friends, not to get hit on by random strangers.

The Hollywood scene where girls hang around alone by the bar waiting for guys to hit on them doesn't exist here.

>The Hollywood scene where girls hang around alone by the bar waiting for guys to hit on them doesn't exist here.

I don't know that it exists anywhere anymore. It can be dangerous for a woman to out drinking alone.

But ladies do go out in groups. As a guy you just have to be nice and chat up the group and don't get hyper focused on any one person. None of them are probably going to drop everything and go home with you that night. But you can often get a phone number (or two) and go on a real date from that.

Your bars don't have pool tables?

If you want to go to a bar and meet other people, go to one with a pool table. Hitting on women is much smoother when you meet their girlfriend's boyfriend first, and better tolerated whether she's interested or not.

In Germany/Switzerland it's not common to go to pool bars and talk to "meet other people". People will look at you funny if a random stranger from the bar talks to them for no reason. Here at bars, you're expected to bring you own group of friends and stick with them. Not every country/culture has such warm/welcoming social etiquettes as US/UK/etc/

It matters a lot actually. The noise level is a big deal and also different bars attract different groups and income levels

Please don't twist my words and call me an incel. I didn't say women who go out are not nice. I said roaming the bars and clubs, hoping to meet a nice woman is not a recommend strategy for success where I live. And it's not some incel shit but it's what girls here will tell you as well.

Sure, it can happen that you meet a compatible partner in a bar/club, but as a dating strategy is has a very poor ROI. You're better off with hobbies or dating apps.