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Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by _-david-_ on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:16AM (#32663200)
So does Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and every large platform. There is so much harassment, doxing, and other disturbing behavior on all the platforms.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by sealeck on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:33AM (#32663509)
This is a remarkably facile comment; on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram you can find people who aren't out to drive trans people to commit suicide, and content which isn't about how to best call SWAT teams to people's homes. On KiwiFarms, that is all there is.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by _-david-_ on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @04:10PM (#32667703)
I see plenty of posts on Kiwifarms that don't seem to be advocating for anything like that. Where exactly are all these posts? If the only thing on Kiwifarms are posts like this I should be able to easily see them.
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Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by sjsdaiuasgdia on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @02:14PM (#32666150)
The forum whose members spend a lot of time harassing people has a book club thread! They can't be bad people if they spend some of their non-harassing time reading!
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by throwrqX on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @02:37PM (#32666462)
There's lots of people on Facebook who talk about abusing children. So what? If you want to say the majority or a substantial percentage of the forum members harass people then show some evidence for it.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by ryneandal on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @12:24PM (#32664503)
And each of those platforms you've mentioned have explicit rules AGAINST harassment, doxxing, swatting, and other reprehensible behavior KF engages in.

Sure, it may be posted, but lots of it is removed as soon as it is identified and/or reported.

Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by _-david-_ on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @04:11PM (#32667708)
Kiwifarms has a policy against illegal behavior (which would include some harassment and swatting). I am not sure if doxing is illegal?

Policies don't mean anything when a huge amount of it stays up and the platform does nothing about it.

There are posts literally and explicitly calling for people to murder others on Twitter. The posts have been there for multiple years (at least the last time I checked). Twitter and the other big players completely fail at content moderation.

Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by DanBC on Thursday September 01, 2022 @07:01AM (#32674668)
> Kiwifarms has a policy against illegal behavior

wink wink

Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by _-david-_ on Friday September 02, 2022 @07:22PM (#32696864)
Is that supposed to be Twitter winking at Kiwifarms because they do the same thing?
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by cyral on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @12:04PM (#32664156)
The owners of those platforms don't actively encourage that content, and it makes up a small portion of the content rather than the main purpose
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by _-david-_ on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @12:46PM (#32664863)
I'm not sure that it is the main purpose of KiwiFarms. There appears to be a large number of posts not related to any of that behavior. I don't use KiwiFarms so maybe I just don't know where all these doxing posts are?

Also, due to the sheer size, Twitter and the others almost certainly have significantly more of these types of posts.

Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by pseudalopex on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:56AM (#32663986)
Twitter and Meta have policies against doxing. Difficulty preventing it at much larger scale does not make them equivalent to Kiwi Farms.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by _-david-_ on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @12:44PM (#32664837)
I don't care if they have policies. They have a huge amount of posts directly advocating violence and doxing that don't get removed.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by pseudalopex on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @12:50PM (#32664924)
> Difficulty preventing it at much larger scale does not make them equivalent to Kiwi Farms.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by _-david-_ on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @04:11PM (#32667712)
KiwiFarms has a policy against illegal behavior. If your argument is that having a policy and half assing it is sufficient for Twitter then you should be consistent and allow KiwiFarms the same excuse. The size is irrelevant. If anything it should mean Twitter should be held to a higher standard due to the sheer reach of the platform. Twitter has significantly more resources to stop this behavior through both automated and manual processes. Stop justifying Twitter's complete and utter failure.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by Dylan16807 on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @07:52PM (#32669889)
KiwiFarms doesn't half-ass, they ignore. They need to try before they can be excused for trying.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by Akronymus on Thursday September 01, 2022 @06:22AM (#32674387)
Then it should be easy to find examples. And as you can't prove a negative, the burden of proof is on those claiming such posts to exist.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by _-david-_ on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @08:20PM (#32670108)
KiwiFarms has removed posts that were doxing people in the past. I am not sure how frequently they do it though, but since they do it sometimes 'half-assing' seems appropriate.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by Borgz on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:53AM (#32663913)
All of those platforms regularly remove that type of content and ban users that post it.
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Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by throw149102 on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @05:40PM (#32668728)
Finding KiwiFarms posts that currently dox a user are going to be hard, because now that the site is under increased scrutiny from the public there is likely to be an attempt from moderators to remove posts. We can clearly find posts however that doxxing has been part of the sites history for years.

For example, this post contains an address:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/onision-james-gregory-jackson-...

Here is a post containing the IP of some user:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/leonard-f-shaner-jr.9940/page-...

Here is a list of past addresses for someone:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/russell-greer-just_some_dude_n...

Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by _-david-_ on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:12AM (#32720422)
I don't know that IP addresses are doxing. Maybe, but doesn't seem like much for that.

Past addresses isn't doxing.

You have one example. I do appreciate the example. I don't really think 1 post is really systematic though. You could easily find an address on any of the big players. They appear to remove posts that get reported so it is possible this one wasn't reported.