Police are also a reason the left need a strong gun culture (I mean we are talking about the same groups of people, police and right wing extremists, terrorist groups, white supremacist gangs etc). BP didn’t go far enough and were hamstrung by lack of support from the left due to racial division within working class and those in poverty

Good thing the left is so supportive of the working class now lol

It’s bad as ever, I’m not suggesting we’ve reversed those divisions. And now the left have gained an anti-gun stance on top of it, and in typical liberal fashion, have started with giving up their own individual gun ownership before addressing ownership at large in society

I'd argue that while initially having more guns causes the probability of being raided to go up, with enough guns that starts to fall.

The police/FBI raid you because you are a threat to them. Become enough of a threat, and they will think twice about raiding you.

Of course you won't win against the military, but that becomes an issue of popular support - the BP didn't have enough political power at the time. I expect this is the reason the response to the Capitol raid was muted - As much as a military response could be justified, doing so against a reasonably well supported group would escalate the situation.

gun ownership itself doesn’t make an organization a threat to the police or fbi as is utterly evident. nor does the possession of guns itself cause organized criminalized activity to be treated with severe force, as is also utterly evident

also bear in mind the military doesn’t operate with nearly as much ease on america’s own population, when you’re comparing pig threat to movements or peoples in the US. there’s also your neighbor to worry about

This is in the context of being a targeted organisation, such as the BP.

pretty sus to tell dissidents they should all disarm to protect themselves

maybe, but what has that got to do with this thread?

you began the thread saying the left saves themselves from attack by de-arming themselves

You should read to the end of that sentence. I also don't consider it to apply only to the left.

got it sorry had your next BP comment as thread root

np

btw BP were raided when they started taking direct action to support their communities through programs like the free breakfast service. guns didn’t do BP in, socialism did