Also, it's not an issue of self discipline when social norms dictate that everyone around me is using their phones, and expecting me to do so to interact with them. On a cruise ship there used to be no such expectation. No boss expecting me to be aware of new emails, no friends expecting me to respond to their Facebook invites if I want to come to their parties, no one at the bar expecting me to follow them on Instagram, and no restaurants asking me to scan their QR code if I want to eat.
I don't know when the last time is you've tried to live for a week without a phone, but its become next to impossible unless you're in a protected environment like a cruise ship or a wilderness retreat.
They'll whinge at you for living in the 20th Century, but your stress levels will be down.
Embrace the fact that no-one is irreplaceable, and train your understudies.
As we enter the era of increased satellite connectivity, it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk. That would have nothing to do with the crew having access.
Or shocker: you could just leave your phone at home when you go on your trip.
JFC why do people have to magnify this into something when it's literally nothing?
Edit: comment above made a stealth edit where my comment now appears disjoint. I'll leave my comment as is other than this warning.
It's not identical because the rest of the people surrounding you aren't in a low-internet or no-internet bubble.
I love the internet. I also like to unplug, and it's really annoying to unplug and then have a few people not bought into the idea around you.
Like seriously, there is no problem here, no tragedy.
When I hear what you're saying it's roughly equivalent to "I wish I could go out to bars and talk to people who don't have TV" about 2 decades ago. It's preposterous to assert this is some big deal, or that you don't have your own agency to create an unplugged environment with like minded people if you like.
The person you lambasted had said this:
> it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk
I saw the comment in that minute before you responded-- this was in it. Further, there were cousin comments articulating the same view.
You're not being very kind.
> When I hear what you're saying it's roughly equivalent to "I wish I could go out to bars and talk to people who don't have TV" about 2 decades ago.
Here it's more like "I wish I could go to a bar somewhere near me without a TV blaring".
You want to be disconnected from the internet? Great, more power to you. You want those around you to also be disconnected from the internet? In the most sincere way possible, fuck you.
If you can't fight the urge to bust out an internet client upon seeing someone else mess with one, that's a You problem and specifically a lack of self-discipline.
Unless you literally own the cruise ship and you are literally the law onboard as captain/owner of the ship, nobody has to accomodate your lack of self-discipline.
Of course, if you want help resolving your lack of self-discipline that's a different story, and I'm sure many folks would be happy to give you advice on that front.
vs. What we're replying to:
> As we enter the era of increased satellite connectivity, it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk. That would have nothing to do with the crew having access.
And again, it's not my lack of non-discipline: it's me enjoying being in places where the other people I'm with are disconnected. I value disconnected experiences; if a quarter of people around me are nose-down in a phone, that devalues the experience for me a fair bit. There are likely decent markets for disconnected experiences.
The post I replied to (you) reads, in part, as follows: "I also like to unplug, and it's really annoying to unplug and then have a few people not bought into the idea around you."
Absolutely, find cruise ships without internet connection if you're that deep into that sort of thing. Nobody's stopping you, nor is anyone stopping cruise lines from not providing internet.
What I'm saying is: You don't get to just go on some cruise ship and then complain people around you don't act exactly like you. That is absurd.
I don't think anyone is doing that (straw man)-- which is part of why your reaction seems so over the top to me. At worst, people are bemoaning the loss of one more low-network space; which then morphed into a discussion of why a deliberate low-network space might be considered worthwhile beyond the personal choice of not using one's phone.
And then you started putting words in my mouth about me not being able to refrain from using my phone.
I am very, very, sick of this purely self aggrandizing "tragedy."