We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know

Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by westcort on Saturday August 27, 2022 @10:53AM (#32619686)

We may not know the answer to how the universe began, but a time loop at the beginning of the universe is my favorite explanation. Gott and Li proposed this model and you can see Gott explain it elegantly here: https://youtu.be/raTqAyLikLU

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by egello on Saturday August 27, 2022 @10:58AM (#32619736)

The thing about time loop is that, how and when did it began? I just can't wrap my head around something being here, there and everywhere at all times.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by AnotherGoodName on Saturday August 27, 2022 @12:22PM (#32620604)

You're right. In fact a time loop has the same something from nothing problem any other theory has.

Imagine a flatlander universe. Package up time in another dimension and you can represent their entire existence as a static 3d cube. Timeloops would just be a static torus in the cube.

The same is true of a 3 spatial dimension + 1 time dimension universe. You can view it as a static 4d tesseract. Timeloops are just a 4-taurus. Where did that 4 Taurus come from? It's the same something from nothing problem.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by bigbaguette on Saturday August 27, 2022 @12:02PM (#32620414)

It's something we learn very early in the philosophy of science, is that our vision of the world will always be inherently limited by the capabilities of our perception and the way we process it

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by ben_w on Saturday August 27, 2022 @11:00AM (#32619758)

with time loops. It began half way though me writing this sentence — that's the thing

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by mytailorisrich on Saturday August 27, 2022 @12:41PM (#32620761)

There are only two alternatives for the origin of the universe: Either creation out of nothing, or no creation through eternal existence.

Both are hard to wrap your head around.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by c048 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @11:24AM (#32620019)

That's the thing about time-loops; you don't need to have a start and a beginning. There's a good movie about that concept; Interstellar.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by Tenoke on Saturday August 27, 2022 @11:48AM (#32620279)

Interstellar is pretty much nonsense even given the premise. Even if you are talking about time travel you can easily make something more plasuible than that.

Also Interstellar had information passing from the future to the past which isn't really what's typically sufficent to consider it a time loop.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by westcort on Saturday August 27, 2022 @12:01PM (#32620397)

The time loop is allowed by the current understanding of physics. The math checks out.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by ben_w on Saturday August 27, 2022 @12:58PM (#32620904)

Interstellar has one, but for that topic I'd suggest Predestination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_(film)

I'd also suggest watching it before reading that plot synopsis.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by al_mandi on Saturday August 27, 2022 @12:28PM (#32620656)

It's a metaphysical assumption, meaning beyond the realm of experimental science. Science has inherent limitations, and cannot be used to explain everything. This is a good starting point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If3cNUixEBM

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by xabotage on Saturday August 27, 2022 @06:54PM (#32624057)

How did I know before I clicked that link that it was going to be apologetics.

Faith is not a shortcut to knowledge. "Hey, we can't yet find the answer to big questions through rational means, so let's try irrational means!"

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by al_mandi on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @02:21AM (#32659029)

You can throw around words like "apolegetics", but that doesn't make it less correct.

Islam has proof and evidence (e.g. http://provingislam.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTsEZXx8kRg, https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/hxn276/here_are_some..., and much more). Don't present a false dichotomy between science and faith where there isn't any for us in Islam.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by xabotage on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @08:48PM (#32670352)

Interesting how you just said science "cannot be used to explain everything" and yet now you're claiming "proof" and "evidence" (i.e. science) for your particular religion. Make up your mind.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by DemocracyFTW2 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:08PM (#32620995)

I for one am glad that Gott has finally joined youtube to explain to everyone the meaning of the universe and everything. Cool move bro!

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by staindk on Saturday August 27, 2022 @12:05PM (#32620450)

Thanks for the link. I love how Gott started with simple everyday objects.

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Re:We don't know how the universe began, and we will never know by westcort on Saturday August 27, 2022 @12:51PM (#32620856)

He is a great teacher and a really awesome person in general.

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