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Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by mathgladiator on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:01PM (#32612723)
Been there, and I just did a booster. I'm now very happy as I plug along on my project without any negative judgement: https://www.adama-platform.com/2022/07/02/the-path-of-the-mo...

I'm doing silly things for silly reasons, and I've never been this happy and at peace. It let me heal from the moral injury of working in big tech for a decade.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by FollowingTheDao on Friday August 26, 2022 @06:15PM (#32613373)
I am in no way diagnosing, but I have Bipolar Disorder, so did my mother and my brother. I say things like this which you wrote when I am hypomanic/manic:

"As I reflect on this, I’ve concluded that I exist with the divine purpose of bringing beauty into the world. Beauty and elegance require tremendous suffering because having taste is expensive."

It is kind of typical of the condition.

I know nothing I saw will convince you that the state you are living in is not a balanced state because I have been there as well and no one could tell me otherwise, so I get it.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by swatcoder on Friday August 26, 2022 @07:35PM (#32613995)
> It is kind of typical of the condition.

It can be, but it’s not exclusive to it.

It’s good that you’ve identified cues that helps you check in on your own well-being, and it’s good that you have concern for others and want to help them, but please be mindful not to inadvertently shit on someone else’s sundae in the process.

Seeing your life in spiritual terms and identifying yourself with a purpose is a common and healing experience, especially during transformative points in one’s life — like coming out of a depression, finding love, overcoming adversity, or even reading a book or exploring a new faith that resonates strongly.

For some people, those feelings can get out of control and it’s good for people who face that pattern to be aware of what may be warning signs for them, but the same behavior is often a normal and healthy experience for others. Without other signs of concern, it might be kinder let others be than to suggest they question their own recovery.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by FollowingTheDao on Friday August 26, 2022 @07:45PM (#32614064)
most of what you said is fair, but as a Taoist, I do not see a semi euphoric state as being a normal condition, or even a condition that can be a sustained for a long period of time. There’s a saying, that a strong wind does not blow all day.

With these rushes of neurotransmitters, the receptor density on our neurons changes to adapt to them. This is a truth that we all need to understand. This is how the strong wind ends.

I’m afraid that people will be obsessed with trying to sustain this type of bliss when a more healthy approach would be to look for a neutral state. Absent of the constant highs and lows.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by swatcoder on Friday August 26, 2022 @07:57PM (#32614138)
I admire your concern for people, but you might be getting a little bit ahead of the data when you start imagining others getting obsessed and develop your own fears for their sake.

But I’d also mention, as a fellow student of balance, that it can be found amidst great highs and lows and not just in the absence of them. Acrobats exhibit tremendous balance. :)

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by FollowingTheDao on Friday August 26, 2022 @10:33PM (#32615052)
Whatever I’m just a homeless schizaffective bipolar fuck who actually thinking about killing himself right now so who cares.
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by bookofjoe on Saturday August 27, 2022 @09:47AM (#32618959)
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Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by FollowingTheDao on Saturday August 27, 2022 @06:22PM (#32623832)
Thanks. Better now. Took a bunch of klonopin, managed to talk to a friend who is a therapist.
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by mathgladiator on Friday August 26, 2022 @08:53PM (#32614464)
Ketamine has a nice rate limiter of $500 per session and at most once a month. I just had a booster, but I can't imagine myself doing it again for a while.

I do believe a neutral state is ideal, but that requires highs and lows to define. For a variety of reasons, it's very easy to get stuck in a down position for a variety of reasons.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by thelittleone on Friday August 26, 2022 @10:01PM (#32614867)
Having some ups is also a lot better than always being down.

Congrats ok your success.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by mathgladiator on Friday August 26, 2022 @07:03PM (#32613747)
That's fair, and there is context I intend to talk about more in a couple of future posts. I left my big tech job as a E8 (senior principal-ish) as I just got so bored.

I retired from big tech, but it wasn't until ketamine until I could reset to a new baseline and be truly grateful for my present state. Now, I do what I want when I want and the spiritual experience helps me be ok with doing my Thang without too much judgement.

I work on my platform, and I recently started to paint.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by ad404b8a372f2b9 on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:44PM (#32613093)
Very interesting. I've long sought the divine in the machine but haven't found a satisfactory avenue to pursue it so I went back to Catholicism instead. It provides answers to our suffering that hedonism ignores.
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by mathgladiator on Friday August 26, 2022 @06:01PM (#32613235)
For me, I found the purpose as my role is to solve puzzles. Ketamine gave me a sense of spirit that we are all connected in this life, and gave me insights that are hard to describe. However, I believe there is value in waking up and solving puzzles for the sake of solving puzzles and it may not be time to leverage it in the commerce (if at all).
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by scubakid on Friday August 26, 2022 @07:59PM (#32614151)
Growing up in a catholic household, what I mostly felt as a kid was cognitive dissonance and guilt... but to each their own.
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by politician on Friday August 26, 2022 @09:26PM (#32614652)
Parenting is hard.
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by paskozdilar on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:11AM (#32615934)
I figure it's easier when your main goal is raising your child as a life-loving person, instead of a good Catholic.
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by politician on Monday August 29, 2022 @03:30PM (#32642448)
There's lots of ways that crafting a moral compass around being a "life-loving person" can go wrong too.

It's a hard problem.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by bheadmaster on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @04:04AM (#32647853)
You can say that about any kind of life philosophy.

However, children are born as life-loving creatures. It seems reasonable that it's easier to keep them that way while teaching them how to function in this world, than to force onto them rigid unnatural habits (for example, many Christians consider sexuality a bad thing, and teach their children to be ashamed of their sexuality, except in this very special case of being married to someone; or they take the "respect your parents" command too seriously, effectively ridding their child of all rights to any kind of personal integrity - "I am your parent, you shall respect me, no matter what I do"), which lead to frustration of the child, which leads to resistance, which leads to frustration of parents, which leads to general unhappiness and mistrust.

But even if we completely disregard the complexity of raising children - Christianity is, in its essence, a suffering fetish. The symbol of Christianity is a man suffering on a cross. I do not believe that that kind of imagery doesn't have harmful effects on young children.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by politician on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @09:21PM (#32657247)
I understand that you have a specific problem with Christians. However, you should be aware that your examples aren’t just wrong but more like caricatures of what’s actually in the Bible.

The TLDR on the Bible is John 3:16-21. You’ve probably heard the first sentence, but I encourage you to read the full paragraph and then compare it with the characterization you shared here.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by bheadmaster on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @09:50AM (#32662005)
> However, you should be aware that your examples aren’t just wrong

I've personally witnessed every single thing I've written, so they can't be completely wrong. I was also raised in a Christian family, in a Christian neighborhood, so I'm pretty sure that what I've observed is at the very least plausible.

> The TLDR on the Bible is John 3:16-21.

You should note that Bible is huge, full of contradictions and open to interpretation. You should also note that many Christians have never even read the Bible, and don't follow it to the word, but rather follow the culture of their peers, which is usually focused on observable behaviors (don't eat X, don't work on Y, don't do Z, etc.), rather than deeper, more complex points (love thy neighbor as you love yourself, turn the other cheek, who is without sin - throw the first stone, etc.).

Note that (except for the "suffering fetish" comment) I'm not even trying to tackle the Bible or Christianity as a philosophy here. I'm talking strictly about the sociological aspects of religion.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by politician on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:36AM (#32663574)
“I’m talking strictly about the sociological aspects...”

Life is hard. Individuals consistently fail to act with everyone’s best interests in mind. This is true of all people and all groups of people at all scales.

The offensive thing about Christians is that they’re a people that have acknowledged that they aren’t behaving appropriately in the first place and have come to the conclusion that they want to behave accordingly to the standard set in the Bible. It’s completely understandable that when they don’t live up to that standard that others are put off.

When everyone is out there living their own truth, it can be offensive to learn about a group of people who reject the idea of their own truth and put their trust in the God of the Bible. It’s especially understandable that folks are quick to judge them for their hypocrisy when they fail to live up to that standard.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by bheadmaster on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @11:59AM (#32664066)
> Life is hard. Individuals consistently fail to act with everyone’s best interests in mind.

Yes, but Christianity gives people the excuse not to question their core beliefs - they just confess, repent, blame it all on Satan and carry on with business as usual.

> The offensive thing about Christians is that they’re a people that have acknowledged that they aren’t behaving appropriately in the first place and have come to the conclusion that they want to behave accordingly to the standard set in the Bible

The offensive thing about Christians is that they are constantly trying to impose rules from the Bible upon other people (e.g. abortion laws in southern US).

> When everyone is out there living their own truth, it can be offensive to learn about a group of people who reject the idea of their own truth and put their trust in the God of the Bible.

In other words, Christians consider themselves eternally right, and everyone else eternally wrong, no matter what evidence is provided.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by politician on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @02:38PM (#32666487)
You mentioned the concept of repentance. The biblical concept of repentance requires action to restructure the way you do things and is mutually exclusive with "business as usual". Anyone who is doing the BAU part skipped the repent part.

Regarding laws, we live in a representative republic where anyone can vote for any representative to act in their interests. If you would prefer that we remove the rights of Christians to vote because they tend to vote for policies that you don't support, well, that's a very different type of government. Historically, in the US, we have gone to great lengths to give marginalized groups the right to vote.

Finally, a Christian is simply a person who has decided that they will organize their life according to the standard defined in the Bible in preference to other options. Other people make decisions to organize their lives in other ways. It seems like you are willing to tolerate folks in the latter camp, but hold a special animosity towards folks in the former camp. Do we not each have our own autonomy?

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by bheadmaster on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @04:32PM (#32667961)
> The biblical concept of repentance requires action to restructure the way you do things and is mutually exclusive with "business as usual".

That's your interpretation. The behavior I have observed is different.

> Historically, in the US, we have gone to great lengths to give marginalized groups the right to vote

Christians in the US are not marginalized.

> Finally, a Christian is simply a person who has decided that they will organize their life according to the standard defined in the Bible in preference to other options. Other people make decisions to organize their lives in other ways. It seems like you are willing to tolerate folks in the latter camp, but hold a special animosity towards folks in the former camp. Do we not each have our own autonomy?

Read about paradox of tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

In order for society to remain tolerant towards everyone, it must not tolerate intolerance. Christianity (as well as many other popular religions) is not tolerant, no matter how much that word appears in its holy books - just look at the history.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by politician on Thursday September 01, 2022 @10:16AM (#32676514)
Ok, I wish you the best, but I don't think it's productive to continue this conversation. Sadly, you've decided to take the position that Christians should have their right to vote curtailed along with their rights to make decisions for themselves. That's a strongly authoritarian position for an American to take. I hope you'll reconsider.
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by paskozdilar on Thursday September 01, 2022 @10:40AM (#32676951)
> I don't think it's productive to continue this conversation. Sadly, you've decided to take the position that Christians should have their right to vote curtailed

If that's all you took away from this conversation, then I agree - it's for the best to end it now. But I'll try to elaborate anyway.

I am not taking the position that Christians should have their right to vote curtailed, I'm taking the position that nobody, not even Christians, should have the right to impose their own standards upon others, unless they made sense outside of the Christian worldview. Abortion laws only make sense in the Christian worldview (and maybe a few other, equally intolerant, worldviews). The fact that Christians are the majority in the US only makes it de-facto a Christian state, while still pretending to be a secular democracy.

Here's a thought experiment:

If Talibans somehow became a majority in the US, would you still consider it "their right" to vote away the democracy and establish Sharia Law?

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by politician on Thursday September 01, 2022 @11:48AM (#32678151)
I'll make an exception because you've asked a good question that I think will help illuminate our different viewpoints.

> If Talibans somehow became a majority in the US, would you still consider it "their right" to vote away the democracy and establish Sharia Law?

Yes. The current form of government in the United States is a representative republic that has a constitution that defines processes for dramatic change including a constitutional convention that allows for open-ended changes to the constitution itself.

I don't have a divine right to the land, water, or air here.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by paskozdilar on Thursday September 01, 2022 @01:35PM (#32679993)
> Yes.

That's were we disagree. I believe there are some human freedoms that nobody has the right to deny. I suppose I'm just an idealist.

> The current form of government in the United States is a representative republic that has a constitution that defines processes for dramatic change including a constitutional convention that allows for open-ended changes to the constitution itself.

I'm sure the goal of such openness of constitution was to protect the liberty of people, not to open doors for authoritarianism.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by politician on Thursday September 01, 2022 @06:14PM (#32684060)
How do we enumerate which human freedoms that nobody has the right to deny? What if there isn't consensus? If there isn't consensus and they are just imposed by fiat, then you've simply come around to authoritarianism from the other direction.
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by paskozdilar on Friday September 02, 2022 @08:01AM (#32689575)
That's a hard question, like any other question concerning human freedom. I suppose a good rule of thumb is "if you're not forced to subject yourself to it, you don't get a say in it".
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by barrysteve on Saturday August 27, 2022 @02:30AM (#32616351)
I'd argue calling the water a machine and hedonism, you never left Catholicism.
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by ad404b8a372f2b9 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:48AM (#32617099)
The water?
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by birdyrooster on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:31PM (#32612984)
What is your moral injury? I admit I have guilt from working in big tech too, but how did it affect your mental health?
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by mathgladiator on Friday August 26, 2022 @07:07PM (#32613777)
I worked at Meta, and I'm not woke.

I have more to write on this, but I was able to grind as I had interesting work. I got bored even as an E8, and I squeezed the last potential out as I mentored and helped others grew.

Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by thelittleone on Friday August 26, 2022 @10:03PM (#32614878)
I took ten years of Big Tech. Now I'm back and loving it with more awareness.
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by 1MachineElf on Friday August 26, 2022 @07:55PM (#32614126)
Congratulations on healing from moral injury and good luck with your interesting project!
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by programmarchy on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:27PM (#32612954)
Cool project. You seem like a fun and interesting person. I genuinely mean that!
Re:Psychedelic drugs take on depression by mathgladiator on Friday August 26, 2022 @06:01PM (#32613236)
Thanks!