A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page

Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by lozenge on Thursday August 25, 2022 @04:57AM (#32591277)

We create 40kg of CO2 a day each through our diet, transport, consumption and other energy use. The idea we need to target our energy burden on Internet routers is absurd.

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by docmars on Thursday August 25, 2022 @09:48AM (#32593672)

I lament the day this becomes policy to regulate average internet usage due to a few religious fanatics who fail to understand that higher levels of CO2 enrich the Earth, and that science has been sabotaged to suit political ambitions fueled by fear porn.

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by worldofmatthew on Thursday August 25, 2022 @05:41AM (#32591532)

14 tons per year is pretty high. Most calculators estimate my usage at 6 tons per year.

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by lozenge on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:50AM (#32592439)

The US average is 15 metric tons and that's production-based, ie counting exports and not counting imports. If you count imports and stop counting exports it would be higher. Now the US does rank highly in this measure but that's also where the 'typical' HN reader is. The typical reader is also well off which can make a huge difference(flights etc).

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by ChrisRR on Thursday August 25, 2022 @03:58AM (#32590904)

And how much carbon would they use having those photos printed out and mailed to them to look at?

Given that they could be streaming 1080p video instead, I think viewing a few photos is a relatively harmless hobby

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by worldofmatthew on Thursday August 25, 2022 @04:05AM (#32590939)

Physical item that can be looked out for 20 to 50 years vs a digital image. Not the same thing.

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by tracker1 on Thursday August 25, 2022 @07:04AM (#32592093)

The bandwidth used for single images is dwarfed... massively by streaming video content... I don't think it's a use case that is worthy of excessive time/effort to optimize for size because of bandwidth cost/effects.

edit: I'm not saying don't do it if you can get away with a smaller image dimension, or do basic optimizations... but if your concern is the environmental impact from a simgle high-resolution image from a photography site, you're putting the emphasis in the wrong place.

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by ttoinou on Thursday August 25, 2022 @03:11AM (#32590569)

Source ?

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by worldofmatthew on Thursday August 25, 2022 @03:33AM (#32590733)

https://www.emergeinteractive.com/insights/detail/does-irres...

In the US as of 2020, it was 3KG CO2 per GB Data.

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by cosarara on Thursday August 25, 2022 @04:13AM (#32590989)

I don't agree with the reasoning presented. It takes the estimate for the amount of energy that it takes to run the internet infrastructure and clients (141GW * 8765h in a year = 1235865 GWh), divides it by the amount of data transferred yearly (241 billion GB) and gets to 5.12kWh/GB.

You might argue that if people download more data, more equipment needs to run to enable it, but really all this energy consumption is happening regardless of my PC being idle or saturating its fiber pipes with torrents. If your website weights 14kb, all this same equipment needs to be on for my PC to load it.

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by worldofmatthew on Thursday August 25, 2022 @04:37AM (#32591158)

The website usage on the client side is more to do with resource usage. Unnecessary usage of Javascript is often what makes websites laggy.

You computer will normally down-clock (you can turn this off in the bios) when under lighter loads.The difference between a JS-free webpage and a bloated web page that uses multiple JavaScript with extra Javascript for ads and tracking could be around 10W/H to 40W/H on Desktops.

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by cosarara on Thursday August 25, 2022 @05:12AM (#32591373)

I agree with this. I was disagreeing with the statement

> Bandwidth is extremely carbon intensive.

and the reasoning that supports that statement.

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by worldofmatthew on Thursday August 25, 2022 @05:45AM (#32591548)

If people used less bandwidth, less new equipment would be bought to serve the increasing demand. Less bandwidth = Less carbon.

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by cosarara on Thursday August 25, 2022 @06:46AM (#32591965)

Maybe, or maybe the new equipment is much more efficient than the one it's replacing. It sounds true, but you can't really tell if it is or not, and really my annoyance is in saying it costs any estimated amount of energy, or carbon, to transfer 1GB of data. It does not, the transfer itself is basically cost-less. What costs money is running the infrastructure that makes it possible, and that's much harder to measure.

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by ttoinou on Thursday August 25, 2022 @12:42PM (#32596317)

What matters is the marginal consumption. It should be really small. Averages don't mean much. I can download one GB of Data for almost free, I doubt I would burn 3 kg of CO2 doing that

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Re:A 14kb page can load much faster than a 15kb page by bmacho on Thursday August 25, 2022 @04:10AM (#32590968)

And who pays for that?

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