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Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by turblety on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @02:38AM (#32561233)
It's amazing to me that they didn't learn from Apple's mistakes. All we heard about for months was how annoying not having a physical escape key was. It even forced Apple to change the keyboard on newer models, with a physical escape key and then the touchbar to the right.

But here we go, Dell has decided to put a capacitive escape key. They really need to know their market better.

Anyway, it looked like a nice laptop. Totally unusable to a developer without a physical escape key.

*edited, thanks for the correction cassianoleal

Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by tannhaeuser on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @02:59AM (#32561391)
Dell will learn the hard way and backtrack, or will abandon Dev edition XPSs due to low demand (due to idiotic keyboard). And no, remapping keys to Esc or whatever isn't acceptable, just as it wasn't on Apple's touch bar notebooks (RIP).
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by raxxorraxor on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:12AM (#32561483)
It is the developer edition. The important thing is that developers cannot escape.

It really an immense design flaw in my opinion and honestly the problems here should be predictable enough to not even make the mistake in the first place.

Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by bee_rider on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:36AM (#32561645)
It is a flaw that can be overcome by mapping escape to caps, which everyone does anyway, or by using ^[ which is more conveniently placed anyway. That doesn't seem so immense.
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by raxxorraxor on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @04:56AM (#32562196)
I solved this by having large hands. I usually also use function keys which seems to be difficult as well with such a layout. The arrow keys could also induce nightmares for me. Especially up/down being smaller than left/right.
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by vladvasiliu on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:15AM (#32561507)
Is the laptop actually physically different than the regular XPS 13 ?

I seem to remember, a while ago, when this new model was introduced, that it looked exactly the same.

Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by squiffsquiff on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:24AM (#32561567)
It's the xps13 plus. A different model with a hidden trackpad and a keyboard very reminiscent of Apple's butterfly keyboard together with touchbar
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by BigMajestic on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:10AM (#32561474)
That got my interest. Why companies are trying to do this? Isn't the ESC key one of the commonly used keys on the keyboard? What's a net gain by replacing it?
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by innocenat on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:24AM (#32561568)
Dell claimed that physical keyboard is too thick to put in enough cooling for 28W Alder Lake-P chip in thin-and-light form factor. The touchbar is much thinner allowing more room for the heat spreader.

Having seen benchmark number from XPS 13 Plus compared with other notebook equipped with Alder Lake-P, it looks like it's working.

Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by pjmlp on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @06:51AM (#32562923)
Maybe for vi users, on GUI based OSes it mostly boils down to dismissing dialog windows.
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by bibanez on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @02:50AM (#32561316)
You can switch Escape with caps lock. It's easy to do in linux and arguably better if you get used to it for vim keybinding ergonomics
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by elcomet on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @02:53AM (#32561338)
But how do you caps lock ?
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by vladvasiliu on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:13AM (#32561491)
I usually do both shifts together for Caps Lock. I basically never use it anyway.

In my case, I have a physical Escape key, but use Caps as my "hyper" key to interact with the WM.

If you're using X11, the incantation goes into your keyboard config (the last one is what's of interest):

    % cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-custom-kbd.conf
    Section "InputClass"
      Identifier "keyboard defaults"
      MatchIsKeyboard "on"

      Option  "XKbModel" "pc105"
      Option  "XKbLayout" "us"
      Option  "XKbVariant" "mac"

      Option  "XKbOptions" "shift:both_capslock"
    EndSection
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by pmontra on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:08AM (#32561453)
I remapped caps lock to control many years ago in Tweaks, Keyboard & Mouse, Additional Layout Options, Caps Lock Behavior. I can enable caps lock by pressing both shift keys and disable it by pressing any shift.
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by marssaxman on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @06:02AM (#32562573)
I would rather know: why do you caps lock?

I think many if not most people never use it at all.

Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by bee_rider on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:38AM (#32561655)
Even FORTRAN has come to accept the existence of lower case characters nowadays.
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by nont on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @02:56AM (#32561364)
Remapping a combination of the windows key + another key like a backspace to Caplock gets the job done for me. Even shift + caplock would also solve the problem
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by carlesfe on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:09AM (#32561464)
Shift-Capslock
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by Manfred on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @02:46AM (#32561284)
The whole keyboard looks like form over function. I have never touched them, so I’m curious about other people’s experience.
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by happymellon on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:20AM (#32561535)
I have the last Intel i7 Macbook Pro which has the physical escape key and capacitive bar. I still miss the rest of the keys being physical, having the choice between either having to tap multiples times to change volume or lose the "extra features" of the bar is a no-brainer.

There is literally nothing I use or seen that meaningfully uses that bar. I've not even seen a useful implementation by Apple.

Considering that the Macbook Pro also is generally about 40 degrees at the back of the keyboard when I do work on it, I'm not really inclined to put my hands back there anyway.

Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by rbanffy on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @06:38AM (#32562825)
> Dell has decided to put a capacitive escape key

Not only that - the touchbar is dynamic and adapts to the program that has the focus. This is a set of almost fixed-function spots. This is beyond stupid.

Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by chme on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:49AM (#32561755)
Not only that, also those halve size arrow keys. How do they expect people to navigate their code? With hjkl? But then why not physical escape key?
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by cassianoleal on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:48AM (#32561741)
> It even forced Apple to change the keyboard on newer models, with a capacitive escape key and then the touchbar to the right.

The capacitive ESC was part of the touch bar on older models. After that, they added a physical, scissor ESC key like the rest of the keyboard. Thankfully on newer models they got rid of the touch bar altogether.

Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by faeriechangling on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:38AM (#32561663)
16gb ram

No escape key

Zero travel keyboard

DEVELOPER EDITION!

Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by ezconnect on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:50AM (#32561761)
They need to remove inventory of their stupidity so they need to promote this hard and get on the next batch with real ESC keys.
Re:Dell XPS 13 Plus developer edition: Now available with Ub... by bee_rider on Tuesday August 23, 2022 @03:23AM (#32561556)
It is a developer laptop, though. Who wants to get pinky arthritis when ^[ is right there?