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Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by Datagenerator on Monday August 22, 2022 @08:49AM (#32550596)
Just cancelled Disney+ with the one worded reason: commercials
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by flanbiscuit on Monday August 22, 2022 @09:01AM (#32550721)
Disney+ is going to have ads?

... just googled it:

So they are _adding_ a new plan that's cheaper and ad-supported, and they are not touching the current plans. So nothing will change for my current subscription plan thankfully.

> Disney+’s ad-free subscription tier, which currently costs $7.99 monthly and $79.99 annually, will remain available.

and this:

> What’s more, if the Disney+ profile being used is associated with a child, no ads will play.

source: https://tvline.com/2022/05/17/disney-plus-with-ads-subscript...

edit:

A clarification for the advertising to kids things. Looks like it's no ads to preschool kids

> Regarding kid-targeted ads on Disney+, Ferro said, “Yes, we’re going to have advertising… to kids, but it’s going to be controlled advertising with a lot of parental levers to pull. We’re not going to collect data on that.” She added that there won’t be advertising in preschool content on Disney+ at launch.

source: https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/disney-plus-advertisin...

Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by jsnell on Monday August 22, 2022 @09:06AM (#32550774)
> Disney+’s ad-free subscription tier, which currently costs $7.99 monthly and $79.99 annually, will remain available

But it will not remain available at that price. Instead that's what the plan with ads will cost, and the prices of the current ad-free plan will be bumped up by 30%.

Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by anonymousab on Monday August 22, 2022 @09:16AM (#32550885)
And that ad-free plan will eventually have ads. Ads are infectious and will always spread uncontrollably once you let them in. Give an inch and they will take a lightyear.
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by flanbiscuit on Monday August 22, 2022 @09:17AM (#32550899)
oh I missed that, I'm only just finding out about this now. Can you point to where you read that?

I just found this contradiction to what I had mentioned earlier (going to edit my original message)

> Regarding kid-targeted ads on Disney+, Ferro said, “Yes, we’re going to have advertising… to kids, but it’s going to be controlled advertising with a lot of parental levers to pull. We’re not going to collect data on that.” She added that there won’t be advertising in preschool content on Disney+ at launch.

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/disney-plus-advertisin...

Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by jsnell on Monday August 22, 2022 @10:24AM (#32551834)
The new prices are here:

https://dmedmedia.disney.com/news/ad-supported-disney-plus-s...

> Premium (No Ads) $10.99

Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by TheRealDunkirk on Monday August 22, 2022 @09:15AM (#32550879)
We all knew this was introductory pricing to weasel into the space. This was even the predicted timing.
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by petesergeant on Monday August 22, 2022 @10:29AM (#32551912)
> So they are _adding_ a new plan that's cheaper and ad-supported, and they are not touching the current plans. So nothing will change for my current subscription plan thankfully.

Fundamentally the problem with paying for ad-free content is that the people who can afford to pay for it are the people advertisers want to target.

Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by rendall on Monday August 22, 2022 @08:53AM (#32550641)
Wow. Thanks for the head's up. I have Disney+ and have not yet seen this, but I'm done as soon as it does.
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by scarface74 on Monday August 22, 2022 @09:06AM (#32550773)
It’s not true. Disney+ is adding a lower cost ad free tier. The current plan doesn’t have ads.
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by darkwater on Monday August 22, 2022 @09:13AM (#32550850)
Now. Just like when food companies sells the same package as before (or a slightly bigger version) as "now with 20% free product!" and after a few months, they remove the free product discount. Price increased, less people noticed it.
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by scarface74 on Monday August 22, 2022 @09:16AM (#32550884)
I’m sure people will notice if for instance HBO only sold a version with commercials after having an ad free product since 1980.
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by darkwater on Monday August 22, 2022 @09:41AM (#32551213)
Sure. But Disney+ in 12 months will have the ad-based version at today's ad-free prices. (And the ad-free subscription at a premium price.
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by scarface74 on Monday August 22, 2022 @10:00AM (#32551465)
Ok. We all knew that $7.99/month was unsustainable long term.
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by pbhjpbhj on Monday August 22, 2022 @10:45AM (#32552195)
Really, I assumed Disney+ would basically be all profit. Can you link info about the size of the loss they're making?
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by scarface74 on Monday August 22, 2022 @10:58AM (#32552394)
https://www.investors.com/news/disney-earnings-disney-stock/

> The Dow giant still expects Disney+ to be profitable in 2024.

Disney+ isn’t profitable once you take into account “transfer payments”. They may not be profitable at all yet. But they specifically mentioned being profitable including transfer payments.

That basically means that when Disney movie studios use to sell streaming rights to another company - say Netflix. They may make for instance $500 million (made up number). Disney+ still “pays” the Disney movie studio $500 million. It’s counted against Disney+ profits. Of course the Disney company as a whole keeps most of that money. But it still has to pay part of it to the actors, producers, etc who have a revenue share agreement.

It was a big point of contention when Black Widow was released.

Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by darkwater on Monday August 22, 2022 @11:11AM (#32552569)
That's text-book financial engineering. I understand the creators' concerns, especially the ones that signed contracts before Disney decided to create Disney+, but on the Disney side I really don't care. It's more, I'm explicitly hostile to it due to the balkanization of streaming platforms now that every big producers start to have their own end-user distribution, subscription-based service.
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by scarface74 on Monday August 22, 2022 @11:35AM (#32552952)
It’s not “financial engineering”. It’s standard managerial accounting. I’m an MBA drop out and studied this over 20 years ago (undergrad in CS. The dot com boom called my name). In most large organization, different departments are separated into “cost centers”. Managers are often responsible for their own profit and loss. Internal “costs” are assigned to departments working together.

Why should the Disney+ manager get credit for making $450 million in profit by causing Disney Movie Studios to lose $500 million? How is that good for the overall business? Again I’m completely making up numbers.

We had a method to pay one bill and get all of the content you wanted - it was called “cable”.

Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by zerocrates on Monday August 22, 2022 @02:36PM (#32555383)
They're just actually introducing the ads at the current pricing level, and adding a higher "no ads" level. Of course they would have ended up there soon enough anyhow, but they're just doing it immediately.
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by djbebs on Monday August 22, 2022 @09:09AM (#32550802)
That lower cost ad plan is the same cost as the current plan with no ads.
Re:The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless view... by themitigating on Monday August 22, 2022 @10:48AM (#32552244)
It doesn't have commercials and there will be a less expensive plan that does have them but that's optional. So your reason is wrong.