Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by anthk on Friday August 19, 2022 @08:07PM
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CD's had no distortion.
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Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by WorkerBee28474 on Friday August 19, 2022 @08:28PM
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IIRC CDs were the first use of dithering in audio. It's not distortion, but both it and distortion change the signal.
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by DawsonBruce on Friday August 19, 2022 @08:48PM
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While its true that dithering changes the original signal, dithering is a necessarily evil that prevents quantization errors as a result of downsampling 24-bit+ source material due to CDs being 16-bit. It’s a choice between some barely audible noise, or some weird spectral artifacts..
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by ace2358 on Friday August 19, 2022 @08:56PM
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I was under the impression that the dithering level is well below our threshold for hearing. Can someone confirm or deny that?
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by DawsonBruce on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:05PM
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Dithering modulates the least significant bit of the audio signal, so at normal listening levels it should be inaudible. Of course, one can amplify the silence by 120dB or so and hear the noise.
Sources: http://www.dspguide.com/ch3/1.htm
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by andai on Saturday August 20, 2022 @02:41AM
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I often wondered about the noise I was hearing from my Discman with headphones. You'd hear this hiss when you pressed play, even before the CD loaded, so it was probably the cheap consumer audio hardware rather than the CD format itself.
I think an additional layer of hiss would show up when it actually started playing.
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by adhesive_wombat on Saturday August 20, 2022 @07:34AM
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Indeed, no inexpensive portable digital electronics was going to give you perceptible-noise-free 16-bit audio.
Depending on how the original audio was mastered, it could also have it's own hiss in the sound data if the CD itself. You can tell if you load the raw CD data into a wave editor and see low amplitude noise where you'd expect silence.
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by Severian on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:19PM
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This can be a contentious area as a lot of different sources will throw different figures for the noise floor of a CD. I recall anywhere from -98 to -130dB. Either value, at the minimum level, is something like 4.6dB. Which is completely inaudible in normal listening conditions.
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by Q6T46nT668w6i3m on Friday August 19, 2022 @09:08PM
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Your comment has strong “well, actually …” energy. We’re talking about faulty blocks from physical abrasions and the two common error mechanisms (skipping or repeating). They were both “weird, ugly, uncomfortable, and nasty.”
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by adhesive_wombat on Saturday August 20, 2022 @07:36AM
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CD Reed-Solomon forward error correction did make that pretty rare though. You had to abuse a disc a fair amount to overcome the coding.
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by andai on Saturday August 20, 2022 @02:38AM
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I recall reading a music artist (Akufen, maybe?) would scribble over CDs with a marker to get them to skip, then use the resulting sounds to make music.
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by snovv_crash on Saturday August 20, 2022 @07:36AM
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Records would skip as well due to worn tracks, worn needle or someone bumping the turntable.
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by hericium on Saturday August 20, 2022 @12:53AM
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"Vinyl" would make more sense in this context.
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by ezconnect on Saturday August 20, 2022 @02:37AM
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When I first used CD music it was ugly to my ears. It was full of high frequency sound compared to the hissy tape. I got used to it and all this digital sound DSP was available to change the sound to your liking.
Re:640by480: Instagram Clone for Vintage Digital Cameras
by varispeed on Saturday August 20, 2022 @07:49AM
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In theory yes, but in reality it has a plenty of distortion from various sources.
For instance the jitter - the early CDs didn't have a super stable clocks that governed the conversion, so the slight changes of the pace when D/A conversion takes place would create slight distortion and it would also affect intersample peaks making it more apparent. Then you have the non-linearity of D/A converters themselves that were essentially acting like waveshapers.