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Re:Programming breakthroughs we need by dehrmann on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @11:53AM (#32497983)
I was agreeing with you, but as I thought about it, I remembered MS Access. It is used, often ships with Office, but still isn't close to as popular as Excel. Either the model is wrong, or the need isn't there.
Re:Programming breakthroughs we need by staindk on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @03:14PM (#32500473)
MS Access has awful UX. I've used it on and off over the years and can never find my 'flow state' as nothing in that program seems to flow at all.

If MS prioritised working on it it may have helped lift some people out of Excel and into DBA-lite territory but not in its current state.

Re:Programming breakthroughs we need by ElectricalUnion on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @03:35PM (#32500745)
In my experience, the main problem is that while Excel "distributed code versioning" with a whole bunch of copies around is awful, Access databases are not only much more prone to corruption and data loss in general (even in single user, non-simultaneous ideal use cases, never mind people attempting to multiplayer edit it over network shares...), it's often very hard for non-programmers to get any insights on any data you threw on it without using Excel in the first place.

So if the data is coming from Excel, and being extracted back to Excel, why use anything besides Excel?

Re:Programming breakthroughs we need by mrguyorama on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @01:30PM (#32499284)
Access used to be pretty standard for a small business trying to improve their situation, but we in the software development world spent so much time trying to work around limitations of Access and upgrading growing businesses out of Access that we took it personally and shouted to everyone not to use Access.

However, it is still taught in IT classes as a useful tool for small businesses, and it is.

Re:Programming breakthroughs we need by codereviewed on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @02:19PM (#32499838)
My very first paid web gig was connecting a small business' Access based product catalog to their website. I was 14 or 15 at the time. I was able to do it with out any real coding knowledge except for some basic HTML I learned from MySpace and some copy-paste VBScript, haha. The site was a hit and I made $1,200 and immediately spent it all on an electric guitar.
Re:Programming breakthroughs we need by jrm4 on Wednesday August 17, 2022 @04:40PM (#32501423)
MS Access isn't as good. Again, e.g. Hypercard.