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Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by bombcar on Monday August 15, 2022 @11:28AM (#32470926)
Compromises are 99% of those I see (similar setup) - the last 1% is acquired companies that have pivoted/do something else.

It's not quite spam, it's not quite illegitimate, but it's not what I signed up for.

Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by jawns on Monday August 15, 2022 @11:50AM (#32471211)
I've seen a shift. Between 2005-2010, I used [company]@[mydomain.com], and I noticed that I would get spam in the form of [gibberish]@[mydomain.com], presumably from spammers who were just targeting email addresses with a catch-call filter. In fact, around that time, my hosting provider, Dreamhost, started restricting email catch-alls to deal with this problem.

But then from around 2010 onward, that type of spam became much less common, and nowadays it's as you say. The vast majority, probably 90%, come from compromised accounts, like linkedin@[mydomain.com]. The rest hit the unique email addresses I have submitted in domain registration forms.

That's even more surprising considering that I've since shifted to using [username]+[company]@[mydomain.com]. Spammers could pretty easily strip off the `+[company]`, but I haven't seen that happen much.

Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by stormbrew on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:17PM (#32471589)
The gibberish name ones may be targeting backscatter. They might have a reply-to with the address they're really targeting.

And that may have dropped off because there was a concerted effort to make it harder to do that around then. In particular, that's kind of what killed qmail as an in-vogue MTA, because it wasn't being updated and you had to use awkward patches to stop backscatter.

Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by bombcar on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:07PM (#32471448)
We've successfully pushed spam down hard enough that the only people spamming are people who never even see your email address; it's all computerized and they just don't care at all to try to do anything to clean up the lists.
Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by ziddoap on Monday August 15, 2022 @11:56AM (#32471321)
>It's not quite spam, it's not quite illegitimate, but it's not what I signed up for.

If it's not what you signed up for, isn't that pretty much the definition of spam?

Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by bombcar on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:04PM (#32471416)
You usually sign up for "company updates" or some such nomenclature, but after Bob's Discount Swords pivots to Improved Plowshares™, it's not really relevant anymore.

Then again, I actually fill out that little question after unsubscribing. The above I consider "legit" as long as unsubscribe works.

Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by thewebcount on Monday August 15, 2022 @01:08PM (#32472371)
In my experience, you don't sign up for anything, but are automatically added to mailing lists against your will just for the sin of purchasing something. I never want to get emails from any company just because I purchased 1 item from them. Most people I know tell me they feel the same way, but instead of unsubscribing, they just mark it as spam and eventually it stops showing up in their inbox.

If I want emails from you, I will explicitly ask to be added to your mailing list. Anything else is spam as far as I'm concerned.

Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by denton-scratch on Monday August 15, 2022 @01:28PM (#32472615)
> just for the sin of purchasing something

Ah: prior commercial relationship. That's not spam, unless they ignore your unsubscribe request.

I hope you're not notifying the world that your preferred supplier of [X] is a spammer. I like to stay on good terms with my preferred suppliers.

Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by aendruk on Monday August 15, 2022 @02:08PM (#32473189)
illegal spam ⊆ spam

If I didn’t ask for it, it’s spam, regardless of whatever holes the US has punched in its definition to keep business owners happy.

Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by denton-scratch on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @02:42AM (#32479860)
> If it's not what you signed up for, isn't that pretty much the definition of spam?

Nope. There's not much point in relying on a "definition" of spam that is essentially subjective. "Hey, I signed up for your newsletter, but what you've sent me isn't news to me, or I just don't like it; so it's spam".

Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by denton-scratch on Monday August 15, 2022 @01:24PM (#32472554)
No,I don't think so. If you signed up to receive email, then it's going to be hard to show that you received email that's different from what you signed-up for. And if it's not Bulk, then it's simply email - not bulk, and not unsolicited.

That's why it's important that spam continues to be defined as Unsolicited Bulk Email.

Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by closewith on Monday August 15, 2022 @03:31PM (#32474195)
>If you signed up to receive email, then it's going to be hard to show that you received email that's different from what you signed-up for.

At least in the EU, if you make a complaint, it falls on the sender to assert the legal basis for sending the email, so it's on them to prove informed consent (if that's the basis they're relying on).

> That's why it's important that spam continues to be defined as Unsolicited Bulk Email.

I'm not sure you've made the case that's important. In the EU, spam has been long defined as unsolicited commercial communications (since the E-privacy Directive in 2002) - no requirement for it to be in bulk.

Re:Tell HN: After 10 years of experiments, custom username e... by denton-scratch on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @02:50AM (#32479908)
> In the EU, spam has been long defined as unsolicited commercial communications

True. But spam has existed since long before EU regulators got interested; one type of spam that isn't covered by the EU rules is political spam. At one time I used to get a lot of political spam from US politicians and parties. I've never been a US citizen, and I don't get to vote in US elections - these politicians were spamming mailing lists.

The EU rules specifically exclude spam that isn't trying to sell you something for money. Why? Possibly because the rules are made by politicians, who prefer that their own spam isn't included.