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Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by the8472 on Sunday August 14, 2022 @12:58PM (#32460801)
Is commercial ICF realistic though? Each shot needs a carefully prepared fuel pellet. To get commercial power they'd have to fire a shot per second or so. That seems like a really expensive manufacturing operation to keep it going.
Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by acidburnNSA on Sunday August 14, 2022 @01:22PM (#32461042)
There is an incredible dichotomy that I learned about from David Deustch, which is that things are either:

a) ruled out by the laws of physics, or

b) possible.

Commercial ICF is in the latter category as far as I can tell.

In other words, maybe?

Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by magila on Sunday August 14, 2022 @02:06PM (#32461445)
While obviously true, I think it's also useful to distinguish where items in category b fall on the spectrum from "this will be commercially viable with minor refinement" to "this is three orders of magnitude away from commercial viability and we don't even have a theoretical path to get there".

AFAIK energy generation with ICF is much closer to the latter than the former.

Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by panick21_ on Sunday August 14, 2022 @10:30PM (#32465238)
Not sure I agree. Fusion solves non of the problem of fission actually has.

- Will Capx be lower compared to a advanced fission plant. Almost certainty not.

- Will Fusion plan be significantly cheaper to fuel. Almost certainty not, uranium and thorium are available in waste quantities.

- Will it solve proliferation concerns? No, if you have a control of a fission reactors you have the potential to do all sorts of things.

- Will it solve the nuclear waste issue. Maybe slightly but advanced fission can produce waste that need to be stored for around 300 years and that is not actually that difficult.

And that is of course if you assume that the 100s of billions in investment required will not have be be paid back in any way. That is partly fair because fission didn't have to do that either, but there the investment is shared with nuclear weapons (for better or worse).

So I would say its closer to the second suggestion. I don't see a theoretical path of how a fusion reactor can be built cheaper then a comparable fission reactor.

But I'm not a expert on fission, I have heard of some fission that could be built very small but all actual real designs for suggestion of commercial fission I have seen do not fall into that category.

Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by grecy on Sunday August 14, 2022 @09:27PM (#32464877)
In one of Elon's video interviews with The Everyday Astronaut where they are staggered at the sheer scale of Starship, the booster and the launch/landing system, Elon said "We're not violating and laws of physics here... there's no reason this won't work".

Also: "Here at SpaceX we specialize in turning the impossible into just late".

Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by throwawaymaths on Sunday August 14, 2022 @04:04PM (#32462443)
The real world presents a trichotomy:

b) is two things

b1) possible and worth the cost

b2) merely possible

Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by ajnin on Sunday August 14, 2022 @06:00PM (#32463393)
I think a condition needs to be inserted between a) and b) :

x) require preexisting conditions not present in the Universe, or

Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by sudosysgen on Sunday August 14, 2022 @03:59PM (#32462405)
Flying cars are also into category b for what it's worth.
Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by acidburnNSA on Sunday August 14, 2022 @10:07PM (#32465101)
Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by quickthrower2 on Monday August 15, 2022 @12:35AM (#32465937)
(b) should be "not yet known to be impossible"
Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by imglorp on Sunday August 14, 2022 @01:23PM (#32461055)
Not to mention a tritium shortage [1?] -- assuming this is D-T fusion -- which it seems is going to be hard to get in the first place let alone throw it into a generator.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31451902

Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by vlovich123 on Sunday August 14, 2022 @04:31PM (#32462665)
I don’t know if it’s all fusion reactors but General Fusion breeds tritium by surrounding the plasma with moving liquid lithium which breeds tritium and helium and they send the tritium back in. Seems sustainable.

I don’t know why their plan is to just vent helium given the shortage although I imagine that’s a second order problem they can solve later.

Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by panick21_ on Sunday August 14, 2022 @10:35PM (#32465268)
Thorium is something that is literally a waste product that falls out of refining of rare metals. And natural Uranium is also available in waste quantities. Without even trying we would have enough for the whole world.

And then compare to that the very complex and expensive process of process of breeding tritium.

How does that make any sense?

Sure, fusion is about 3 order of magnitude denser, but fission is already incredibly dense. The increase density doesn't really benefit you in any practical way unless maybe if you are trying to do interstellar flight or something.

Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by bcrl on Sunday August 14, 2022 @07:38PM (#32464220)
Is there really enough lithium in the world to supply fusion reactors while also meeting the demand for its use in batteries over the next 1000 years? It will be interesting to see what the actual long term consequences are for building fusion reactors, as humans are notoriously bad at predicting what unforeseen circumstances arise from new technologies.

Maybe the Belters will mine lithium from asteroids and send them back to earth in exchange for air and water...

Re:Three papers highlight results of record yield nuclear fu... by pfdietz on Sunday August 14, 2022 @11:25PM (#32465515)
Fusion uses 6Li, which is only a minor fraction of natural lithium. The 7Li (93% of the element) can be used in batteries just fine.

At one point back in the 1960s some physicists were trying to make a neutron detector using lithium, and it wouldn't work. They eventually discovered the lithium they had purchased from a chemical supply company was nearly pure 7Li. It had been sold back into the chemical market from the waste stream of the government's lithium enrichment facility.