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Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by nemothekid on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @06:07PM (#32405041)
iMessage was released on iOS 5 with the release of the iPhone 4S. Before then, all messages had a green background. Somehow sticking with the default of more than 10+ years is intentional maleficence by Apple?
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by 015a on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @06:25PM (#32405313)
In a product development org, refusing to prioritize something is identical to deprioritizing it.

@Time0 -> Priority1=X, Priority2=Y

@Time1 -> Priority1=X, Priority2=Z, Priority3=Y

Across this timeframe, Y's priority was lowered from P2 to P3, because the org intentionally decided to make Z a higher priority.

One could argue that improving this experience was never in their priority list; but as long as product leaders in the org knew about it; its the same thing. Letting something linger in the backlog, and intentionally deciding to never add it to the backlog in the first place, are identical.

I don't know about "maleficence", but intentional: Yes. Cognizant inaction conveys intentionality.

Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by mlyle on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @10:28PM (#32407258)
I think you're misreading the above comment.

He's pointing out that Apple considered green originally the best background color for texting, and then added their own protocol with a blue background.

So it's not like they deliberately relegated SMS to green because they were certain blue was better; if they believed blue was superior, they'd have used it from the beginning.

Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by 015a on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:17PM (#32416288)
Yes, and then Time Happened, and every other part of iOS was updated; including, by the way, THE GREEN BUBBLES, to make them less readable, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and no one else remembers that they used to be a different shade of green, with black text, which has significantly more contrast [1].

Regardless, they could improve it at any time, yet its been like this for... a decade now? Cognizant Inaction Is Intention. It doesn't matter why it is how it is; they can make it whateverthehell they want, they run the code, they run the org, they got the keys to production, so: fix it!

The original color may not have been malicious, but it WAS DELIBERATE. Every design decision at Apple is deliberate; to assert otherwise is to be revisionist. Cognizant Inaction Is Intention. Its color was deliberately chosen originally; its color was deliberately changed; their inaction in fixing the accessibility issues that change created is Deliberate, because Cognizant Inaction is Intention.

[1] https://d2bs8hqp6qvsw6.cloudfront.net/article/images/750x750...

Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by mlyle on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @05:38PM (#32418780)
As I'm trying to tell you, assuming malice instead of disagreement isn't productive. It's always been green, even when it was the only option. Perhaps they feel that green is still the best choice!

As others point out, there are accessibility options for people who want more contrast (and which benefit users with trouble reading these outbound messages in far more useful places).

Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by Rebelgecko on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @07:23PM (#32405956)
It's not the same shade of green, IIRC it's been changed 2 or 3 times, each iteration having lower contrast with the text color.
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by GloriousKoji on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @07:52PM (#32406225)
It used to be black text on a green background with a bevel to make the text bubble look like it has depth. I'm probably in the minority but I still don't like the modern high contrast flat material design of everything.
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by Sunspark on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @07:50PM (#32406204)
In addition to that, iMessage in iOS 5 and 6 did NOT use white for text. Black letters were used instead.
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by upbeat_general on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @04:06AM (#32409061)
As an iPhone user, it’s very clear that it is done intentionally. The shade of green hurts to read.
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by blinkingled on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @06:11PM (#32405105)
No but not updating the default for 10 years in a way that mostly affects only Android users seems like borderline malfeasance to me.
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by dymk on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @06:13PM (#32405137)
It's not a "default", it's an indicator of how the message was sent.
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by blinkingled on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @06:16PM (#32405177)
So every sent message looks white on bright green or just the ones sent over SMS/MMS (I.e. to Android users)?
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by dymk on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @06:17PM (#32405199)
Messages sent via SMS/MMS are green, messages sent via iMessage are blue.

If you send a message via SMS/MMS to an iPhone user, it's green.

There is no detection if the user on the other end is an Android user.

Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by tantalor on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @06:26PM (#32405328)
So it's a default.
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by dymk on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @07:30PM (#32406016)
Are you saying the default phone that users go out and buy, is an iPhone?
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by tantalor on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @08:28PM (#32406477)
No, green is the default.
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by rootusrootus on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @06:37PM (#32405444)
Blue is the default, because iOS always tries iMessage first in preference to SMS.
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by mattkrause on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @09:02PM (#32406729)
There's a setting for that too.
Re:“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” by tomjakubowski on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @07:11PM (#32405827)
No.