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Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by digdugdirk on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @10:00AM (#32398038)
Your response took a terrifying turn at the end there.

Are there any examples on the climatic record of the Gulf Stream collapsing to help shed some light on the potential outcomes?

Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by PheonixPharts on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @10:40AM (#32398650)
The thing people really have to understand about climate change is how unprecedented the impact of many of the changes coming are. I mean if you look at a globe you should immediately see that most of Europe is North of the United States. The reason it's comfortable to live there an agriculture is possible is the Gulf Stream.

But forget the Gulf Stream, you should learn more about the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC)[0], which also could be shut down. There is geological evidence that such a shut down would turn the Atlantic ocean anoxic, literally turning the ocean toxic.

This isn't some wacky, doomer fantasy scenario, this has happened multiple times in Earth's history when CO2 levels and temperatures have risen and been responsible for multiple mass extinction events[1]. It's also worth pointing out that the AMOC is already showing evidence of weakening [2]

A good overview of this paleontologist Peter Ward's Under a Green Sky.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturnin...

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoxic_event

2. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaz4876

Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by nicwolff on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @12:11PM (#32399871)
To show how long this has been known and ignored I offer this somewhat manic sci-fi short story [0] written by my grandfather 101 years ago, in which a megalomaniacal ecologist has shut down the Gulf Stream by choking it off between Miami and the Bahamas.

[0] http://www.angel.net/~nic/jegers-mentoen-annihilator.html

Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by scruple on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @01:45PM (#32401205)
Total aside, but that's a very nice piece of family history. And a neat short story, too! Thanks for sharing it.
Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by adamhp on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @11:13AM (#32399112)
Thank you for my daily dose of existential dread. I can now safely logout of the internet.
Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by rapnie on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @10:18AM (#32398316)
I remember a geography teacher talking about this decades ago at school. He said to compare Europe's mild climate to Canada's at the same latitude, and that Europe might be a lot colder in winter with the Gulf Stream halted.
Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by jacquesm on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @11:30AM (#32399329)
It would be. Coastal zones (say within 100 km of open sea) would still see some tempering effects but not on the same scale and further inland it would instantly be the same climate as you saw in Poland or Russia 40 years ago. And further East it will be worse still. The Gulf Stream is what keeps Northern Europe habitable.
Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by bamboozled on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @10:06AM (#32398141)
Rumors are and ice age, which seems ironic.
Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by Workaccount2 on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @10:12AM (#32398234)
"Wow and those stupid libs were saying global warming! Idiots!"

I can already hear them screeching.

Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by ta988 on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @10:39AM (#32398633)
Yeah some people lack brains to understand that a global change doesn't imply local changes going the other direction. The example I give them is usually: Your neighborhood can get richer and you can loose your job.
Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by jacquesm on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @11:28AM (#32399308)
The easier path is global warming -> more energy in the atmosphere -> more extreme weather.
Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by haunter on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @11:47AM (#32399517)
This is so simple and eloquent. And equally terrifying.
Re:France experiencing worst drought on record by moviuro on Tuesday August 09, 2022 @10:10AM (#32398213)
What if? (name of the channel I found)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCvY0ENrhk