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Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by huhtenberg on Tuesday November 15, 2011 @01:54AM (#3237329)
> Software: it's loaded with Sony stuff mostly.

Don't know about Z, but when I got a simpler Vaio for my wife, I spent 4 (FOUR) hours removing and uninstalling all the preloaded crap. Symantec alone required 2 reboots and defiantly tried to scare the shit out of me until its last breath. This is as annoying as it is insulting. The laptop is simply not usable out of the box. That's not even considering that 4 hours is over $500 worth of my time, which is - I am inclined to think - a bit too f#cking much for a $1200 laptop.

However, the problem is not with the hardware, or the software. It's the fact that Sony sells products, while Apple sells experience. That's the difference.

Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by zobzu on Tuesday November 15, 2011 @07:00AM (#3237927)
i didnt get any non-Sony stuff but again it was a EU order. Still I always install from my own CDs.. and run Linux mostly.

Also I'm supposing that the cheaper the laptop.. the more crapware you might get. So there is no "too much for a $1" laptop, at least that's not the way economics work. Even if that sucks.

Also I'd like if I was paid over $100 per hour like you. Heck I'd be hella rich :) $800-$1000 per day!

My salary in a week :-)

Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by robin_reala on Tuesday November 15, 2011 @04:19AM (#3237639)
Your 4 hours is why, with Windows machines, I take the nuke-from-orbit approach and reinstall from scratch first thing.
Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by yardie on Tuesday November 15, 2011 @08:28AM (#3238107)
Wasn't there a post on here last week on how you have to hunt down drivers if you do a Windows upgrade or clean install? The last VAIO I used took me 4 hours to nuke, clean install, then hunt down the drivers. (And some didn't even exist on the Sony site since they only listed 32-bit drivers).
Re:What the Vaio Z says about Sony's little design problem by huhtenberg on Tuesday November 15, 2011 @04:29AM (#3237658)
It'll work out to the same 4 hours if not more :)