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Re:U.S. employers added 528k jobs in July by ramesh31 on Friday August 05, 2022 @10:48AM (#32356906)
>Anyone who thinks the FED will lower rates next year is delusional.

Literally nobody thinks that.

Re:U.S. employers added 528k jobs in July by ac29 on Friday August 05, 2022 @11:13AM (#32357308)
The yield on a 1yr treasury was higher yesterday than on a 2yr, which suggests that the market certainly thinks cuts next year are more likely than not.

edit: link to data: https://home.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/...

edit2: for the visidata users: vd 'https://home.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/...'

Re:U.S. employers added 528k jobs in July by mywittyname on Friday August 05, 2022 @11:00AM (#32357093)
Maybe I'm delusional, but I think the Fed is raising rates just so they can lower them again.

Look at what happened to rates between 16-19. They slowly raised rates in little baby steps, but the moment the 2019 economy started to weeble-wobble, they cut rates almost in half. And when the economy fell over in 2020, they cut rates back down immediately.

It took them 3 years to raise rates from 0.13% to 1.70%, but less than a month to go from 1.60% to 0.05%

https://www.macrotrends.net/2015/fed-funds-rate-historical-c...

Re:U.S. employers added 528k jobs in July by dragonwriter on Friday August 05, 2022 @04:30PM (#32361627)
> Look at what happened to rates between 16-19. They slowly raised rates in little baby steps, but the moment the 2019 economy started to weeble-wobble, they cut rates almost in half.

Yes, raising rates to control inflation during an expansion and then cutting them when the economy weakens is... pretty exactly the usual simplified distillation of “things are behaving as normal” monetary policy. As is greater caution in raising rates (which fights inflation but slows the economy, with the downside risk of triggering/magnifying recession) vs. cutting rates (which stimulates expansion but risks inflation.)

Not sure why you are pretending this totally conventional wisdom description is some kind of contrarian hot take.

Re:U.S. employers added 528k jobs in July by wuliwong on Friday August 05, 2022 @11:30AM (#32357571)
I saw this a couple weeks ago too. This could be the first time in around 40 years that they are able to raise interest rates higher than the previous peak before having to cut them.
Re:U.S. employers added 528k jobs in July by amock on Friday August 05, 2022 @10:56AM (#32357045)
Re:U.S. employers added 528k jobs in July by raesene9 on Friday August 05, 2022 @10:57AM (#32357050)
Re:U.S. employers added 528k jobs in July by tmn on Friday August 05, 2022 @11:02AM (#32357124)
A lot of people think that. I’m not saying I agree, but it’s a pretty popular take in macro circles on YouTube.
Re:U.S. employers added 528k jobs in July by RappingBoomer on Friday August 05, 2022 @11:34AM (#32357635)
it's a mass delusion on wall Sr that rates will have to be lowered soon...but history shows that inflation is sticky
Re:U.S. employers added 528k jobs in July by shapefrog on Friday August 05, 2022 @11:24AM (#32357478)
The market is pricing this outcome. May 2023 onwards fed funds are expecing cuts not hikes.